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Old November 15 2007, 07:42 PM   #76
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Re: Menagerie, re-mastered on the Big Screen

The leaves were supposed to stop making the sounds when they were touched. They didn't stop singing on the first 5.1 mix, but this was corrected for the season 1 DVD box set. It seems the old uncorrected mix was used for the high def "Re-Mastered" episode, so the leaves kept singing.

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Old November 15 2007, 08:01 PM   #77
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OK name WHY it is sexist?

What is the quickest description of the two kidnapped landing party members in a moment of surprise? If there were 4 women and two men instead, would you describe them as anything else?
It was not written to be sexist and I'm sure in 1964, it wasn't sexist. And it obviously wasn't an intended laugh line. But it is dated and and a laugh line intoday's society.

Look at it like this. Substitute "the women" with any one of these:
"the negroes!"
"the Asians!"
"the Mexicans!"
"the cripple!"
"the retard!"

What it does, as stated in an above post, is classify them by gender. Really, seriously, if this happened to you, would you really shout "the women!" Or would you say something like: "Leutenant! Yeoman!" or "they're gone!" Or even "what happened?" since, not for anything, only the gals did what was intended, which was to beam down. The panic shouldn't have been that they beamed out, but that the other 4 did not.

It's also kind of humorous because, even though THIS Spock was not unemotional, the character in most of the rest of the episodes and movies is. Looking at it that way, our unemotional Spock suddenly screams "the women!" like he's upset his last chance to get laid just vanished.

This all reminds me of talking with some fans at conventions and most of us would pick something to make fun of in an episode and one guy would always say "um, that wasn't meant as a joke, you have to take it in context," etc. That guy always spoiled our fun. But we hung out with him anyway, because he was cool and big as a house and could beat us all up.



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Old November 15 2007, 08:11 PM   #78
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Another fun time from our theater was after Kirk and Mendez are beamed over and the report from the bridge says that the computer won't release control of the ship. Scotty goes off talking to himself which caused much laughter.
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Old November 15 2007, 09:43 PM   #79
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Yeah he's like huffing and puffing as he walks off camera. Everyone laughed.

Trek is so unintentionally funny when you're with a big group!
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Old November 15 2007, 09:56 PM   #80
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Was the big laser effect blasting the doors using the ships power cleaned up and crisp because I remember there was a lot of white flashes on the screen?
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Old November 15 2007, 11:22 PM   #81
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RAMA said:
klingongoat said:
RAMA said:
22 Stars said:
Electric Coleslaw said:
RAMA said:
OK I've read several posts on here, that state: "laughter at the expected places", and laughter when Spock yells "the women!". OK why did people laugh at that? I don't get it! He's simply stating the obvious fact that only the two women were taken, and not the 4 men of the landing party.

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For me it's a combination of knowing the sexist attitudes of the 1960's and the fact that it's our supposedly non-emotion Spock getting upset because they took the babes!
I agree, how can anyone not react to that line? It's such a short, overy emoted (esp. for our non-emotional Mr. Spock)declaration/exclamation, and it does seem a bit dated and sexist in some wierd way.... Why would he yell, and why wouldn't he yell, Commander since the first officer and acting captain just got snatched?
Okayyy...let's pretend you have a transporter, and you are beaming 6 people down to a planet....well normally ALL who are intending to go down usually make it, but in this case, you know its wrong that only two people--both women--beam down and you don't. Wouldn't you be surprised?

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I don't know if the line gets laughs from the theater audience because A.) most people have seen the episode 375 times, B.) the line IS sexist, in a 60's kind of way, or 3.) Spock shouting on the big screen makes it even bigger than life.

How about if Spock let out a loud "WHAT?, the F**K!!".
OK name WHY it is sexist?

What is the quickest description of the two kidnapped landing party members in a moment of surprise? If there were 4 women and two men instead, would you describe them as anything else?
Oy, ok, I understand your point, but I don't think you are listening to spirit of the other posters replies. Yes, you could argue that in less than a second, Spock sized up the situation, recognized that the two crewmembers who were beamed were 'THE WOMEN'! lol, but that doesn't take away from the fact that the line, in the dramatic context of the show comes off as funny, possibly sexist like 'Oh no, they took THE WOMEN, how will they ever manage on thier own, because they are ONLY WOMEN, and we are MEN, there to PROTECT THEM, THE WOMEN are in trouble.... get it?

Also, even though Spock is not emotionless in The Cage, he is by the time Menagerie comes around, and the stark contrast is.... laughable? It's just a big change, get it? I sure hope so.
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Old November 15 2007, 11:26 PM   #82
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RAMA said:

OK name WHY it is sexist?

What is the quickest description of the two kidnapped landing party members in a moment of surprise? If there were 4 women and two men instead, would you describe them as anything else?
It was not written to be sexist and I'm sure in 1964, it wasn't sexist. And it obviously wasn't an intended laugh line. But it is dated and and a laugh line intoday's society.

Look at it like this. Substitute "the women" with any one of these:
"the negroes!"
"the Asians!"
"the Mexicans!"
"the cripple!"
"the retard!"

What it does, as stated in an above post, is classify them by gender. Really, seriously, if this happened to you, would you really shout "the women!" Or would you say something like: "Leutenant! Yeoman!" or "they're gone!" Or even "what happened?" since, not for anything, only the gals did what was intended, which was to beam down. The panic shouldn't have been that they beamed out, but that the other 4 did not.

It's also kind of humorous because, even though THIS Spock was not unemotional, the character in most of the rest of the episodes and movies is. Looking at it that way, our unemotional Spock suddenly screams "the women!" like he's upset his last chance to get laid just vanished.

This all reminds me of talking with some fans at conventions and most of us would pick something to make fun of in an episode and one guy would always say "um, that wasn't meant as a joke, you have to take it in context," etc. That guy always spoiled our fun. But we hung out with him anyway, because he was cool and big as a house and could beat us all up.




Sorry, didn't see this.... What ^he^ said.
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Old November 15 2007, 11:26 PM   #83
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It sort of looked like the effects were redone, but kept the same. It was HD.

I should ask for a refund. My screen was NOT HD and this was advertised as HD.
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Old November 16 2007, 01:04 AM   #84
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All I will say is that Spock's emotional control was not as good as by WNMHGB.
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Old November 16 2007, 01:07 AM   #85
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Re: Menagerie, re-mastered on the Big Screen

ssosmcin said:
Look at it like this. Substitute "the women" with any one of these:
"the negroes!"
"the Asians!"
"the Mexicans!"
"the cripple!"
"the retard!"


I'm afraid that if you have to have a joke like this explained to you, you're never going to get it. It's a bit of cheese that tickles a lot of funny-bones, and that's that.
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Old November 16 2007, 01:14 AM   #86
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Spock is a logical man. He immediately concluded that the one thing the two persons who disappeared had in common which the three persons who did not disappear had was gender, and thus deduced that gender had something to do with why they were beamed down.

And, of course, Spock was right. He's just that precise.

You want sexism, go watch the original "The Cage". Pike is furious that he's got a female yeoman, he doesn't want any women on his bridge!

Number One is offended. He placates her: "You're different, of course." Still not amused.
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Old November 16 2007, 01:16 AM   #87
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Hey it was the 2260's...
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Old November 16 2007, 03:32 AM   #88
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Number One was an android, probably.

1. Numerous references to her being very scientific, computational, prompt, correct, knowledgeable.

2. References to her being the most experienced on the ship.

3. Her name and only name is NUMBER ONE, a very robotic sounding name, not necessarily indicative of her place in the command chain, like Commander Riker's nickname implies.

I think she's an android.
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Old November 16 2007, 04:39 AM   #89
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I thought the 13th would be my only chance to catch The Menagerie in the theater but there was an encore today. I just got back.

Unusual watching 4:3 in a cinema, but the experience was just as I remembered it. A tear came down my cheek at the end when Pike realizes why Vina wants to stay.

Great experience. There were maybe nine people there, I think. Different demographics too. No uniforms or any of the other stuff some of you might've been expecting, sorry. Just normal people.

All, in all, not bad. Nice preview for the second season on HDVD at the end, and the back-to-back credits for Parts I & II were a nice twist.
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