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Old November 4 2007, 02:53 AM   #1
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Provisional ranks

I was curious about something recently. In "Caretaker" Paris received a field commission of lieutenant when he was assigned as the helm/conn officer, yet the Maquis officers all had provisional rank insignia. Wouldn't it have made more sense (at least later on in the series) to give them similar field commissions since it was obvious the ship would take a long time to get back home?

I realize the main point of this originally was to distinguish Maquis from Starfleet, but since this distinction disappeared pretty quickly anyway it wouldn't matter.
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Old November 4 2007, 04:06 AM   #2
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I think this was because Paris was an ancdemy grad and had held a Starfleet commision before his crime.That only leve we did Chcoata have pips?
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Old November 4 2007, 04:28 AM   #3
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Chakotay was also a graduate.

The real issue is that Tom had his sentence commuted for helping Janeway hunt down these dirty maquis criminals, but the Dirty Maquis Criminals had jail time waiting for them for there various crimes against the Federation including mass murder.
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Old November 4 2007, 04:47 AM   #4
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Re: Provisional ranks

True, but did any of that make a huge difference in terms of Voyager's mission to get home, and the fact that the merged crew was to be treated as a Starfleet one? Ultimately any reflections on the past actions of the Maquis would be meaningless until the ship returned to the AQ.
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Old November 4 2007, 05:00 AM   #5
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Lon Suder.

Tuvok was annoyed that no one told him the Maquis were a bunch of crazies who needed constant supervision.

In Before and After when Kathryn died and Chuckles became captain. He had straight out pips.
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Old November 4 2007, 11:36 AM   #6
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The Provisional Ranks were a compromise. They couldn't let the Maquis wear their own clothes, but they needed to wear something to distinguish themselves. Unfortunately, it was something nobody but uniform nerds would ever notice, I never picked up on the difference while watching Voyager until it was pointed out to me.

In-universe, though, Paris had already formally regained his Starfleet comission when he got out of jail. It's quite possible that comissioning the Maquis as full officers was beyond Janeway's privileges as captain.
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Old November 4 2007, 11:49 AM   #7
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O, a Captain can so do anything they want on the... Acting Ensign Weasley Crusher had a real Pip, and Icheb was taking Starfleet Extension Classes to become an officer... Did his future self in Shattered have pips or a rank badge?

I loved it when John Sheridan called himself a "Military Governer" because it said everything about his complete control over the civilian issues of his command... But in Voyager, it never really came up? Voyager was a tiny city on space, and essentially a Federation colony therefore... if Janeway had taken on those responsibilities baring any democratic issues, she would have had absolute power... That is unless, because of democratic issues that she lost the election to become the Mayor of Voyager?
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Old November 4 2007, 11:54 AM   #8
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Icheb of the "future" had Pips.

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Re: Provisional ranks

Kegek said:
The Provisional Ranks were a compromise. They couldn't let the Maquis wear their own clothes, but they needed to wear something to distinguish themselves.
Why couldn't they wear their own clothes?
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Old November 4 2007, 08:52 PM   #10
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Old November 4 2007, 09:13 PM   #11
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Eddington said... "the federation is worse than the borg, at least they tell you that you're being assimilated."

common denominator. Harmony.

Neelix looked wierd in his Uniform during year of Hell.
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Old November 4 2007, 09:36 PM   #12
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O, a Captain can so do anything they want on the... Acting Ensign Weasley Crusher had a real Pip
Wesley got a standard uniform and pip because he was given a field promotion to full Ensign by Picard in "Menage a Trois." (A behind-the-scenes decision based on the fact that Wil Wheaton looked good in the standard uniform in "Yesterday's Enterprise;" the same logic that went into giving Troi a uniform.) By all rights, Wesley should've kept his promotion and only had to go to the academy for additional training and circumventing any need for him to be reduced to a cadet/midshipman.
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Old November 4 2007, 09:52 PM   #13
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Am i thinking of something else? Maybe from Disaster when Picard was handing out pips in that broken turbolift to those science fair winners, but I used to be more certain that I recall Picard taking a Pip off his collar and giving it to Wesley near the beginning of season one?

Remember the crew of the Valiant? Nog should have pulled rank of those kids play acting ast Star ships.
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Old November 5 2007, 03:55 AM   #14
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He definitely took his pips off during "Disaster," but I can't recall an ep where he gave one to Wesley. At least not right at the moment.

The cadets in "Valiant" seemed to have similar field commissions.
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Old November 5 2007, 05:01 AM   #15
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I'm starting to think I made it up.

Originally I thought the classes Tuvok was teaching were going to get some of the Maquis properly qualified to if not get pips, then at least become enlisted personal with real what ever that lot use to distinguis their ranks.

Bah Humbug.
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