REMASTER THE ENTIRE DEEP SPACE NINE SERIES.

Bones1864 · November 1 2007, 11:50 PM

The entire series of Deep Space Nine Episodes should be Remastered.
It would be aggreable to see the " Battle of Wolf 359" and the destruction of the Starship Saratoga in greater detail. With today's CGI the battle would have and should have more starships whizzing around etc,.
Seeing more spaceships and even starships in the season 1 thru 3 episodes woudl make the show more fun and " Starfleet " like. The battles with the Klingons and the Runabouts could be tweaked. It would be cool to see always a Runabout in space above the Space Station in exterior shots of DS9 itself.
At the end of the show the Defiant 2 could be redone to make the ship look different. I don't think anyone saw the impact of DVD box set sales when the show ended. It would make DVD sales go through the roof.

Kegek · November 2 2007, 12:03 AM

We need to digitially, er, 'enhance' Lumba as well.

You know what I mean.

Because I sure don't.

M · November 2 2007, 12:07 AM

Sorry, but Deep Space Nine doesn't need any remastering! It's effects hold up beautifully, at least IMHO. And then again, DS9 never was about the effects in the first place; it's about the stories ...

TeutonicNights · November 2 2007, 12:08 AM

Agreed, but not now. It isn't necessary now and DS9's effects are the best among the ST series anyway. They will probably not need to change them dramatically, but getting rid of reused footage and adding some ships here and there would sure be sweet.
Of course it will happen when HD is a necessity, but that can wait.
We have seen how CBS has handled the TOSR project and I don't want that to happen to DS9, where ALOT more FX have to be handled.

As for my wishlist:
- The final battle (which is mostly reused from "sacrifice of Angels" and "Tears of the Prophets")
- The Odo FX, which were top notch at its time, could need some tweaking

Harvey · November 2 2007, 12:24 AM

Well, if the series ever goes to HD, they'll have to at least re-render the effects in a higher resolution. But I felt the effects were some of the best in all of Star Trek, so no need to redo them creatively.

TeutonicNights · November 2 2007, 12:38 AM

yeah, the biggest "problem" is probably reused footage. We even got the infamous "Angel One" matte again ("Dax")

DostoyevskyClone · November 2 2007, 01:11 AM

Yeah, why I don't see the immediate need for a remastering job on DS9 (I'd hope they'd do TNG first because it definitely needs it more!), there were reused ship shots (i.e. it seemed that the same 11 or 12 ships were always in orbit around DS9!).

There were others too, and as was mentioned, I think the earlier seasons are in much more need of it than the latter ones.

TeutonicNights brought up the best point so far I think: Odo's shifting effects. They were utter crap in earlier seasons! To be honest, I was never satisfied with them at all (even in season seven). I realize they are difficult effects shots, but I'd love to see them redone.

hofner · November 2 2007, 01:14 AM

When they Remaster DS9 give Morn a luxurious full head of hair in the beginning that gradually thins out until it's all gone by the time of "Who Mourns For Morn?". How's THAT for foreshadowing!

Robert

Magic_Al · November 2 2007, 02:42 AM

It bugs me that remastering discussions focus so much on the effects. The real benefit would be getting the show into HD so you can see the actors better. It bugs me that what was considered high-tech video editing in the 1990s ultimately led to all the 24th Century shows looking fuzzy compared to film-based TOS and HD-shot ENT.

AdmiralGarak · November 2 2007, 04:56 AM

Bones1864 said:
It would be aggreable to see the " Battle of Wolf 359" and the destruction of the Starship Saratoga in greater detail. With today's CGI the battle would have and should have more starships whizzing around etc,.

To be fair, the battle WAS more complex originally. It was changed when the writers decided to make the scene occur during the openning skirmishes of the battle. They filmed a bigger battle, but it's never been released. I don't know how much they completed or how big it was.

Frodo Lives · November 2 2007, 07:49 AM

^
I'd heard about that footage. Could it have been used in the Voyager episode Unity? In that we saw footage of Klingon ships engaging a Borg cube, and I find it hard to believe the FX guys would have done all that just one episode of Voyager.

AdmiralGarak · November 2 2007, 09:04 AM

Memory Alpha lists footage from "The Way of the Warrior" as having been used in the episode, so I'd guess that's where the Klingon ships came from.

Frodo Lives · November 2 2007, 09:16 AM

Thanks Admiral Garak,

You're obviously correct:

Way of the Warrior shot

Unity shot

Stock footage strikes again!

MyCylon · November 2 2007, 10:32 AM

I don't think DS9 needs remastering. I agree that it would be nice to have some of the stock footage replaced in the final battle but that's about it. I found the effects were good if not great most of the time.

I recently rewatched "Let he who is without sin..." which made me think: Actually, DVD or HD-DVD/Blue-Ray releases WITHOUT certain episodes would be really nice. I know you can skip them but at times I think it would be even cooler if just got kicked out

Kegek · November 2 2007, 11:06 AM

^
Nah, I think they should be left in for completeness sake. If you want to skip; skip.

But maybe CGI could be used to improve the episode. Get photorealistic CGI of the actors and bring them in to record new lines that'll make it suck less!

November 1 2007, 11:50 PM	#1
Bones1864 Admiral	REMASTER THE ENTIRE DEEP SPACE NINE SERIES. The entire series of Deep Space Nine Episodes should be Remastered. It would be aggreable to see the " Battle of Wolf 359" and the destruction of the Starship Saratoga in greater detail. With today's CGI the battle would have and should have more starships whizzing around etc,. Seeing more spaceships and even starships in the season 1 thru 3 episodes woudl make the show more fun and " Starfleet " like. The battles with the Klingons and the Runabouts could be tweaked. It would be cool to see always a Runabout in space above the Space Station in exterior shots of DS9 itself. At the end of the show the Defiant 2 could be redone to make the ship look different. I don't think anyone saw the impact of DVD box set sales when the show ended. It would make DVD sales go through the roof.

November 2 2007, 12:03 AM	#2
Kegek Rear Admiral Location: Somewhere You're Not	Re: REMASTER THE ENTIRE DEEP SPACE NINE SERIES. We need to digitially, er, 'enhance' Lumba as well. You know what I mean. Because I sure don't. __________________ "Tell me this, do they have auditions for television?" "That's all television is, my dear - nothing but auditions." - All About Eve.

November 2 2007, 12:07 AM	#3
M Vice Admiral	Remaster the entire Deep Space Nine series Sorry, but Deep Space Nine doesn't need any remastering! It's effects hold up beautifully, at least IMHO. And then again, DS9 never was about the effects in the first place; it's about the stories ... __________________ Bashir: »Out of all the stories you told me, which ones were true and which ones weren't?« Garak: »My dear doctor, they're all true.« Bashir: »Even the lies?« Garak: »Especially the lies.«

November 2 2007, 12:08 AM	#4
TeutonicNights Commander Location: Non-isotropic cosmos	Re: REMASTER THE ENTIRE DEEP SPACE NINE SERIES. Agreed, but not now. It isn't necessary now and DS9's effects are the best among the ST series anyway. They will probably not need to change them dramatically, but getting rid of reused footage and adding some ships here and there would sure be sweet. Of course it will happen when HD is a necessity, but that can wait. We have seen how CBS has handled the TOSR project and I don't want that to happen to DS9, where ALOT more FX have to be handled. As for my wishlist: - The final battle (which is mostly reused from "sacrifice of Angels" and "Tears of the Prophets") - The Odo FX, which were top notch at its time, could need some tweaking

November 2 2007, 12:24 AM	#5
Harvey Admiral	Re: REMASTER THE ENTIRE DEEP SPACE NINE SERIES. Well, if the series ever goes to HD, they'll have to at least re-render the effects in a higher resolution. But I felt the effects were some of the best in all of Star Trek, so no need to redo them creatively. __________________ "What do you hear, Starbuck?" "Nothing but the rain, sir." "Then grab your gun and bring in the cat."

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November 2 2007, 12:38 AM	#6
TeutonicNights Commander Location: Non-isotropic cosmos	Re: REMASTER THE ENTIRE DEEP SPACE NINE SERIES. yeah, the biggest "problem" is probably reused footage. We even got the infamous "Angel One" matte again ("Dax")

November 2 2007, 01:11 AM	#7
DostoyevskyClone Captain Location: Bouville, France	Re: REMASTER THE ENTIRE DEEP SPACE NINE SERIES. Yeah, why I don't see the immediate need for a remastering job on DS9 (I'd hope they'd do TNG first because it definitely needs it more!), there were reused ship shots (i.e. it seemed that the same 11 or 12 ships were always in orbit around DS9!). There were others too, and as was mentioned, I think the earlier seasons are in much more need of it than the latter ones. TeutonicNights brought up the best point so far I think: Odo's shifting effects. They were utter crap in earlier seasons! To be honest, I was never satisfied with them at all (even in season seven). I realize they are difficult effects shots, but I'd love to see them redone. __________________ "Life is islands of ecstasy in an ocean of ennui, and after the age of thirty land is seldom seen. At best we wander from one much-worn sandbar to the next, soon familiar with each grain of sand we see..." The Dice Man by Luke Rhinehart

November 2 2007, 01:14 AM	#8
hofner Commodore Location: Charlotte, NC	Re: REMASTER THE ENTIRE DEEP SPACE NINE SERIES. When they Remaster DS9 give Morn a luxurious full head of hair in the beginning that gradually thins out until it's all gone by the time of "Who Mourns For Morn?". How's THAT for foreshadowing! Robert

November 2 2007, 02:42 AM	#9
Magic_Al Captain	Re: REMASTER THE ENTIRE DEEP SPACE NINE SERIES. It bugs me that remastering discussions focus so much on the effects. The real benefit would be getting the show into HD so you can see the actors better. It bugs me that what was considered high-tech video editing in the 1990s ultimately led to all the 24th Century shows looking fuzzy compared to film-based TOS and HD-shot ENT.

November 2 2007, 07:49 AM	#11
Frodo Lives Captain Location: NZ	Re: REMASTER THE ENTIRE DEEP SPACE NINE SERIES. ^ I'd heard about that footage. Could it have been used in the Voyager episode Unity? In that we saw footage of Klingon ships engaging a Borg cube, and I find it hard to believe the FX guys would have done all that just one episode of Voyager. __________________ I'm the keeper of the cheese. And you're the lemon merchant.

November 2 2007, 09:04 AM	#12
AdmiralGarak Rear Admiral Location: TrekBBS, apparently	Re: REMASTER THE ENTIRE DEEP SPACE NINE SERIES. Memory Alpha lists footage from "The Way of the Warrior" as having been used in the episode, so I'd guess that's where the Klingon ships came from.

November 2 2007, 09:16 AM	#13
Frodo Lives Captain Location: NZ	Re: REMASTER THE ENTIRE DEEP SPACE NINE SERIES. Thanks Admiral Garak, You're obviously correct: Way of the Warrior shot Unity shot Stock footage strikes again! __________________ I'm the keeper of the cheese. And you're the lemon merchant.

November 2 2007, 10:32 AM	#14
MyCylon Rear Admiral Location: Am I a Cylon?	Re: REMASTER THE ENTIRE DEEP SPACE NINE SERIES. I don't think DS9 needs remastering. I agree that it would be nice to have some of the stock footage replaced in the final battle but that's about it. I found the effects were good if not great most of the time. I recently rewatched "Let he who is without sin..." which made me think: Actually, DVD or HD-DVD/Blue-Ray releases WITHOUT certain episodes would be really nice. I know you can skip them but at times I think it would be even cooler if just got kicked out __________________ "For everyone lost in the endlessly multiplicating realities of the modern world, remember: Philip K. Dick got there first" - Terry Gilliam

November 2 2007, 11:06 AM	#15
Kegek Rear Admiral Location: Somewhere You're Not	Re: REMASTER THE ENTIRE DEEP SPACE NINE SERIES. ^ Nah, I think they should be left in for completeness sake. If you want to skip; skip. But maybe CGI could be used to improve the episode. Get photorealistic CGI of the actors and bring them in to record new lines that'll make it suck less! __________________ "Tell me this, do they have auditions for television?" "That's all television is, my dear - nothing but auditions." - All About Eve.