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Old October 10 2007, 03:27 AM   #1
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Tellarite names?

Just a quick question -- I'm working on a story and planning to include a Tellarite as my XO, and I rather like the naming patterns used in the novels, but I'm stuck on one point -- I have no idea what the uncapitalized middle word means. "Chim", "glasch", "jav" and "bim" -- at first I thought these were gender markers, but then I realized that all the characters I'd seen were male.

What do these elements signify? Is this explained in any of the novels in detail?

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Old October 10 2007, 03:38 AM   #2
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Re: Tellarite names?

Well, speaking as the one who invented that Tellarite naming pattern... I have no idea. I just figured it sounded cool. But I saw it as analogous to something like "von" in German names (though that just means "of," like the da in da Vinci). Possibly "Mor glasch Tev" could mean "Mor of the clan Tev" or something like that.

But other authors started coming up with other particles like "chim" and the others, and I don't know if they had any specific intention about their meaning. I suppose it's possible that they could have the same meaning in different regional languages, like "von," "da," "del," and "O'" in various human languages.
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Old October 10 2007, 03:46 AM   #3
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Re: Tellarite names?

Well, that certainly makes it easier. I may elaborate an explanation of my own, then.

[Edited for TOS compliance]

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Old October 10 2007, 03:50 AM   #4
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Re: Tellarite names?

No idea. If it's fanfic, though, you probably shouldn't discuss your ideas in detail on this board.

Personally, I like the idea that they're the same term in different languages. I get so sick of the ST convention of requiring the entire population of an alien planet to have only one language, culture, and naming pattern. Earth has thousands.
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Old October 10 2007, 04:07 AM   #5
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Re: Tellarite names?

But in the future, won't everyone do everything the correct, American way?

Thanks for reminding me about not discussing story ideas on the board. I haven't posted here in forever. The previous post has been edited.

I understand your frustration, though. More variety and diversity within alien species would certainly be a positive step for Trek to take, in fiction or otherwise. DS9 seemed to flirt with this with the Bajorans, but never dug into it in a satsifactory way. Ditto Enterprise and the evil Vulcans.
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Old October 10 2007, 07:33 AM   #6
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i just call them all stuff like Mor, Grig, Guv and stuff.

can get confusing with Klingons tho...

have we EVER met a Tellarite female?
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Old October 10 2007, 07:35 AM   #7
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Re: Tellarite names?

captcalhoun said:
have we EVER met a Tellarite female?
Would we want to?
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Old October 10 2007, 08:50 AM   #8
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Re: Tellarite names?

captcalhoun said:
have we EVER met a Tellarite female?
We met a female Tellarite early in Prime Directive by Judith & Garfield Reeves-Stevens.

Personally, I'm quite fond of the idea that female Tellarites are visual indistinguishable from male Tellarites, and that they sound the same, too, smelling different only to each other. I like to play with gender roles sometimes.
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Old October 10 2007, 02:04 PM   #9
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You were talking about different races here are sme black trill
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Old October 10 2007, 04:43 PM   #10
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Re: Tellarite names?

Haval_Runa said:
But in the future, won't everyone do everything the correct, American way?

Thanks for reminding me about not discussing story ideas on the board. I haven't posted here in forever. The previous post has been edited.

I understand your frustration, though. More variety and diversity within alien species would certainly be a positive step for Trek to take, in fiction or otherwise. DS9 seemed to flirt with this with the Bajorans, but never dug into it in a satsifactory way. Ditto Enterprise and the evil Vulcans.
Actually they do seem to be doing more of that kind of stuff in the books lately. For example in theA Time to Kill/Heal there are at least two different groups on Tezwa, and from what I've read in the descriptions, it sounds like they actually have multiple countries on the planet from the Mere Anarchy ebooks.
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Old October 10 2007, 06:48 PM   #11
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^ Similar variegation in an alien culture can be seen in my SCE novella Failsafe, now available in dead-tree version as part of Corps of Engineers: Grand Designs.
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Old October 10 2007, 08:43 PM   #12
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Sci said:
captcalhoun said:
have we EVER met a Tellarite female?
We met a female Tellarite early in Prime Directive by Judith & Garfield Reeves-Stevens.

*is ashamed to admit he forgot that. and in his favourite trek book, too*
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Old October 10 2007, 10:44 PM   #13
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^ Similar variegation in an alien culture can be seen in my SCE novella Failsafe, now available in dead-tree version as part of Corps of Engineers: Grand Designs.
And, for that matter, in the Nalori Republic in the two-part Invincible, coauthored by Mr. Mack and self, which is in dead-tree form in Miracle Workers.
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Old October 10 2007, 10:46 PM   #14
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^ True, although that was more of a polyglot society of several alien cultures in a political union, much like the Federation itself, as opposed to the Tenebians of Failsafe, who were one species split along ethnic lines. I wonder if the Xindi might be a better example of what we're talking about here....
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Old October 10 2007, 10:54 PM   #15
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^^The Xindi were a nice try at cultural diversity within a single society, but they fell short because the different cultures were defined as wholly separate species, so it was ultimately just the same kind of racial essentialism. What was better was something like the V'tosh katur in "Fusion," a subculture of Vulcans that disagreed with the mainstream culture. Or "Judgment"'s revelation that Klingons have other castes besides the warrior caste that dominates the society.
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