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Old September 24 2007, 04:14 PM   #1
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TOS-R in Widescreen?

I know that the new EFX are being made natively in widescreen. But since the show isn't being shown that way on TV (or HD-DVD), exactly why are they doing that?

Are they still trying to figure out what to do with the live action - meaning, do they not yet know whether to try and make it widescreen as well - and thus are doing the EFX in widescreen just in case they do figure something out?

Also, is there any way the live action could be made widescreen without cropping the top and bottom?
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Old September 24 2007, 05:39 PM   #2
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Re: TOS-R in Widescreen?

It is now pretty common place to make fx shots in the largest formats and then render them down to the desired size for a given format. This way, later if you wish you can easily have a larger format.
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Old September 24 2007, 05:52 PM   #3
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Re: TOS-R in Widescreen?

Babaganoosh said:
I know that the new EFX are being made natively in widescreen. But since the show isn't being shown that way on TV (or HD-DVD), exactly why are they doing that?

Are they still trying to figure out what to do with the live action - meaning, do they not yet know whether to try and make it widescreen as well - and thus are doing the EFX in widescreen just in case they do figure something out?

Also, is there any way the live action could be made widescreen without cropping the top and bottom?
I don't think anyone knows how they'll present the live action in HD. When the HD-DVDs are released, we'll find out. I think those who have seen HD episodes via Xbox say the live action was not widescreen, but the effects were widescreen. Without cropping, the only other way to make is wide would be to stretch it, and that would be unsavory.

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Old September 24 2007, 06:38 PM   #4
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I read somewhere (on TrekMovie.com, maybe) that the widescreen version of TOS is for markets where widescreen broadcasts are common - like Japan. They say that the standard aspect TV shows look terrible on widescreen, which is the reason for releasing a widescreen version.

Like a lot of people, I'm very curious how good the widescreen versions will be. If they do intelligent cropping (based on scene composition) and maybe some discreet stretching, the widescreen TOS might still be watchable and not feel claustrophobic.

In the very distant future, they might be able to produce widescreen episodes by reconstructing the missing left and right sections. That would be quite a feat. Purists will hate it, but there is a market for such work.
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Old September 24 2007, 11:19 PM   #5
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Re: TOS-R in Widescreen?

I'm all in favor for widescreen, but I'm also someone who believes if a show (TV or movie) was not formatted for a particular aspect ratio, it shouldn't be forced to fit it. My main gripe is when a movie originally shown in theaters is reconfigured for a full screen TV. In many cases, the closeups are way too close, people get split in half, and the camera does a distracting pane when two people on opposite sides of the room are speaking to each other.

If CBS/Paramount does go with widescreen, they should at least offer both formats that way people can buy whatever format they want, and noone will complain.
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Old September 24 2007, 11:39 PM   #6
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Re: TOS-R in Widescreen?

I was hoping I wouldn't be the one to have to post this but I guess I will. I know some people will say this is a sign that the Apocalypse is upon us.

In Japan, TOS-R is being broadcast in widescreen HDTV, cropped to 16:9. The new effects are there already. The live action is cropped from the standard 4:3 aspect ration.

This was reported by TrekMovie a while ago. I saw it but since nobody brought it up, I thought I'd try and let it quietly slide by. Now I can't.

I wonder if I can get odds in Las Vegas as to how long it will be until a widescreen 16:9 version of Star Trek is either sold or broadcast in the United States? If the bet would be an over and under one, I'd take less than 5 years. If I could make good money, I'd take less than 3.
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Old September 25 2007, 12:33 PM   #7
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Re: TOS-R in Widescreen?

Outpost4 said:
I was hoping I wouldn't be the one to have to post this but I guess I will. I know some people will say this is a sign that the Apocalypse is upon us.

In Japan, TOS-R is being broadcast in widescreen HDTV, cropped to 16:9. The new effects are there already. The live action is cropped from the standard 4:3 aspect ration.

This was reported by TrekMovie a while ago. I saw it but since nobody brought it up, I thought I'd try and let it quietly slide by. Now I can't.

I wonder if I can get odds in Las Vegas as to how long it will be until a widescreen 16:9 version of Star Trek is either sold or broadcast in the United States? If the bet would be an over and under one, I'd take less than 5 years. If I could make good money, I'd take less than 3.
I didn't like that idea at first, but that footage looks very good.

http://trekmovie.com/wp-content/uplo...srusavjapw.jpg

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Old September 25 2007, 01:56 PM   #8
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Re: TOS-R in Widescreen?

RAMA, you tell just half the story. Yes, the TOS-R footage looks good. How about the cropped footage from the series? That I'm not too wild about.



This is inevitable but unfortunate.
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Old September 25 2007, 04:15 PM   #9
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Re: TOS-R in Widescreen?

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You're right, Outpost, it's inevitable. Remember when TOS-R first started? We were assured that TOS would be available in HD w/ the original effects. Now that promise has been broken, and I'm sure the HD will only be available in cropped and stretched 16:9 too.

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Old September 25 2007, 09:48 PM   #10
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Re: TOS-R in Widescreen?

I *thought* they might crop the live-action footage. Sad, but true.

I guess there's not much else they can do...they can't show parts of footage that don't exist.

Although: That Trekmovie link says that even the HD-DVDs will *still* show the 4:3 version. So what's the point of doing the EFX in widescreen if we can't see it that way?

I mean, why should Japan get them in widescreen but nobody else? Sheer spite?
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Old September 25 2007, 10:16 PM   #11
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Re: TOS-R in Widescreen?

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So what's the point of doing the EFX in widescreen if we can't see it that way?

I mean, why should Japan get them in widescreen but nobody else? Sheer spite?
As HDTVs become more established in the US, there's going to be great pressure on them to sell the widescreen versions in the US. Just as today, they sell both the standard and widescreen versions of DVDs. Of course, the widescreen TOS will have better effects, so fans will HAVE to buy both sets.

Then there's the promise of Trek TOS in 3D. If Lucas can do Star Wars in 3D (that's the rumor), then Trek TOS 3D can't be far behind.
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Old September 26 2007, 01:35 AM   #12
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Re: TOS-R in Widescreen?

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RAMA, you tell just half the story. Yes, the TOS-R footage looks good. How about the cropped footage from the series? That I'm not too wild about.



This is inevitable but unfortunate.
If there has to be a sacrifice, I prefer vertical picture rather than a horizontal one. It makes the scene have a little more scope.

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Old September 26 2007, 01:41 AM   #13
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Re: TOS-R in Widescreen?

windwood said:Then there's the promise of Trek TOS in 3D. If Lucas can do Star Wars in 3D (that's the rumor), then Trek TOS 3D can't be far behind.
I hope you aren't, as my British brother-in-law would say, "taking the mickey".
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Old September 26 2007, 10:47 PM   #14
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Re: TOS-R in Widescreen?

I hope they don't crop it to force it into "wide screen."

They aren't planning on cropping the sides off of movies that were filmed for wider than 16 x 9. Those are still run with a little letterboxing in order to present the full picture. The same should be done for anything filmed in old-style TV proportion. Just run it with black bars on the sides. It's the only way to respect the vision of the original cinematographers.

Classic Trek will never truly be widescreen -- just "Short Screen."

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Old September 27 2007, 12:14 AM   #15
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Re: TOS-R in Widescreen?

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Then there's the promise of Trek TOS in 3D. If Lucas can do Star Wars in 3D (that's the rumor), then Trek TOS 3D can't be far behind.
Of course, Lucas still has all of the original film elements to work with, while most of them no longer exist for TOS.
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