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Old August 23 2007, 12:49 PM   #1
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Question regarding some technologies

Remember the Isokinetic canon from Voyager that was never installed ?
Some people claimed that the canon has been installed on board Voyager but never actually used.

Since the canon was never used and only the test version was pre-installed for ... well testing purposes ... nothing in the episode indicated they installed the canon in the end.

It's possible that the transaction was nullified due to the entire incident with Kovin's death and all ... but still ... we do know the crew of Voyager got a good look at the thing and the projectiles and presumably would have the means to construct it upon returning to the A.Q. since we can claim that we never saw it in use due to the lack of projectiles or it was never installed, they have the specs but never constructed due to the limitations of necessary facilities on board.

Anyway ... since Isokinetic projectiles demonstrated a highly destructive capacity ... would Starfleet be able to develop a directed energy weapon that uses Isokinetic properties ?
Of course I doubt it would pack a same punch as an actual projectile ... but it would still pack a good deal of destructive force.

Or ... would they be able to modify existing phasers to incorporate some isokinetic properties to increase the destructive yield ?

I know I know ... it's fictional and all that, but for the sake of argument just try.
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We saw Starfleet merging 2 or more technologies on several occasions, so presumably, at least some parts of projectile technology could be utilized to enhance the directed energy weapons.

Also ...
The deployable armor that Voyager brought back ...
Since the Borg assimilated the armor, would it be possible that with some time on their hands, SF would find a way to make it once more resistant to Borg weaponry ?
They have 7 of 9 working for them who knows the details of assimilation procedure and possibly on how to counter it, so it's possible.

One other thing.
Admiral Janeway (from 26 years into the future) arrived in a shuttle that presumably contained information on Federation technological development over the past 26 years (from her perspective).

Since both captain and Admiral Janeway knew that the only way of introducing the neurolitic pathogen into Collective was through assimilation, they both must have known that the queen could assimilate Admiral Janeways knowledge on the future events she was aware of.
Of course with the TW network obliterated, the Borg unimatrix destroyed, collective being thrown into chaos and queen herself being killed (also keep in mind she never assimilated the shuttle itself which was one way or the other destroyed in the explosion).

If the Borg ever surface again since Janeway also knows that it can happen ... wouldn't Admiral Janeway copy the shuttle's entire database into Voyager's computer?
The timeline was already altered the moment Voyager installed the future technologies ... and if the Borg resurface with assimilated armor ... the Feds would benefit from having details of their technological advancements of 26 years into the alternate future so they can properly work with those technologies to make them Borg proof yet again.

The torpedoes were not assimilated which was a good thing I suppose, but in order to make the armor usable against the Borg, they would benefit from the future database.
Although even without the database they already have the specs of the armor and know how it works, so it would be possible, but more time consuming I suppose.

Thoughts ?
And please keep the non-constructive replies to yourself.
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Old August 23 2007, 04:36 PM   #2
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Re: Question regarding some technologies

Remember the Isokinetic canon from Voyager that was never installed ?
Some people claimed that the canon has been installed on board Voyager but never actually used.

Since the canon was never used and only the test version was pre-installed for ... well testing purposes ... nothing in the episode indicated they installed the canon in the end.
Best sentences ever!

I don't think canon was ever installed in Voyager either!

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Old August 23 2007, 05:37 PM   #3
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Re: Question regarding some technologies

"Iso" means "one-directional" or "the same". An isolateral triangle has all side of the same length, for instance.

"kinetic" means "the energy associated with motion." Specifically, motion of objects with mass.

So, what does the word "isokinetic" mean? It means nothing more or less than having motion in a straight line.

An "isokinetic weapon" would be ANY projectile weapon, in other words.

This is why latter-day Trek was so utterly laughable sometimes. The people writing the stuff didn't understand even the FUNDAMENTALS of what they were talking about... they just came up with "technobabble" nonsense like this term.

There's a saying... "if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit." That, unfortunately, seems to be something that describes much of what we saw in TNG-and-later-era Trek. This term, in particular, is a PERFECT example of that. Anyone who "gets" science (and in particular the science of kinematics and dynamics) recognizes this for bullshit immediately. So the point was that the people doing this particular show simply were stringing together "kewl-sounding" syllables without any concern for what the words mean.

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Old August 23 2007, 05:42 PM   #4
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I think, though, TNG was a little more careful with its science and techno-babble. It tried to give some sense and reason to it.
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Old August 23 2007, 05:48 PM   #5
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I am aware of that ... however ... contained within the fictional Trek universe ... the Isokinetic projectiles as stated before were shown to deliver a far greater punch than a photon torpedo (dunno how powerful in comparison to a quantum torpedo it would be though) ... so I was wondering if any aspects of torpedo or projectile technology can be used for example in a directed energy beam to increase it's punch ?
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Old August 23 2007, 07:27 PM   #6
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Deks said:I am aware of that ... however ... contained within the fictional Trek universe ... the Isokinetic projectiles as stated before were shown to deliver a far greater punch than a photon torpedo (dunno how powerful in comparison to a quantum torpedo it would be though) ... so I was wondering if any aspects of torpedo or projectile technology can be used for example in a directed energy beam to increase it's punch ?
And the only possible answer you can get, since there is no rational scientific basis for this whatsoever... is "well, I guess so if the writers say so." That's the best answer you could possibly expect to hear.
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Old August 24 2007, 02:56 AM   #7
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Spacetime is curved by the presence of mass. Perhaps an isokinetic projectile travels in a straight line regardless of the curvature of spacetime. I'm not sure how that would be useful over standard Trek combat distances. Or even if "straight regardless of the curvature of space" is meaningful. But it would add a skiffy component to an otherwise unremarkable BFG.
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Old August 24 2007, 03:44 AM   #8
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Delta1 said:
Spacetime is curved by the presence of mass. Perhaps an isokinetic projectile travels in a straight line regardless of the curvature of spacetime. I'm not sure how that would be useful over standard Trek combat distances. Or even if "straight regardless of the curvature of space" is meaningful. But it would add a skiffy component to an otherwise unremarkable BFG.
Well, an object that ignores the curvature of space-time would be faster than any object that dosen't at the same speed over the same disatance (since it has a shorter distance to travel.)
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Old August 24 2007, 04:11 AM   #9
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Delta1 said:
Spacetime is curved by the presence of mass. Perhaps an isokinetic projectile travels in a straight line regardless of the curvature of spacetime. I'm not sure how that would be useful over standard Trek combat distances. Or even if "straight regardless of the curvature of space" is meaningful. But it would add a skiffy component to an otherwise unremarkable BFG.
It would have to be transdimensional, or maybe pandimensional, whichever.

Like if the Universe were a 2-dimensional piece of paper, folded over... ordinarily everything would have to travel through the curvature of the (paper) universe and take the "long way" round to it's destination. An Isokinetic thing would be able to travel through this outside the Universe, through some kind of "3rd" dimension in a straight line to it's destination.
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Old August 24 2007, 09:42 AM   #10
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isokinetic cannon? ah maybe they've installed one of Yamato's 18.1" guns on board a starship...
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