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Old July 10 2008, 03:28 AM   #1081
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Unfortunately, no, Combs' character doesn't return. Would have enjoyed seeing him play off Keonig at least once....
Now that would have been totally awesome! Two of my favorite actors together in one Babylon 5 episode. Unfortunately it never happened ...

But didn't Combs' character reappear in a Babylon 5 novel?
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Old July 10 2008, 03:32 AM   #1082
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I suppose that makes sense. Didn't the Airforce come out of the Army? Maybe the relationship was similar on B5. But I could have sworn that a General was only equivalent in rank to a naval Captain and that Admiral was the highest attainable rank. Anyway I'll just get used to the weird command structure.

Took a break from watching today since I watched two episodes yesterday. I don't want to get thru this series too quickly. Made that mistake with The Wire. Bought season one on a Friday night and had to race back to the store, Sunday night, to buy season two.
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Old July 11 2008, 02:47 AM   #1083
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So, I've started reading the Techno-Mage books today. 50 pages into book one. So far, I like that Galen is Elric's apprentice--it's a shame we didn't get to see them both on screen together. I like that Galen is shown demonstrating slight of hand skill--the techno-mages are often compared to wizards, but I've always seen them as advanced magicians, and this small character bit is a nice nod in that direction. And there was a small bit--just in passing--that referenced a Centauri apprentice mage. I like that, because on the series the mages seemed all to human. Given what little I know about them so far (keep the spoilers away for now), it seems like making them more diverse would be appropriate.
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Old July 12 2008, 03:46 AM   #1084
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So, I've started reading the Techno-Mage books today. 50 pages into book one. So far, I like that Galen is Elric's apprentice--it's a shame we didn't get to see them both on screen together. I like that Galen is shown demonstrating slight of hand skill--the techno-mages are often compared to wizards, but I've always seen them as advanced magicians, and this small character bit is a nice nod in that direction. And there was a small bit--just in passing--that referenced a Centauri apprentice mage. I like that, because on the series the mages seemed all to human. Given what little I know about them so far (keep the spoilers away for now), it seems like making them more diverse would be appropriate.
i thought the triology was good the first time i read it - much better than the centauri triology (evidently written by english major flunkies), but not quite up to the level of the psi-corp trilogy (which would be good scifi even if it wasn't part of the B5-verse).

but re-reading it earlier this year, i realized i had seriously misunderestimated the technomage trilogy. it is genuinely dark, and fascinating. maybe i just haven't read any fiction directed at adolescents before, but galen's dark feelings about suicide was the first time i ever understood the apparently wide-spread practice of Self Flagellation. it was shown in the da vinci code, muslim's do it too. but i never understood why. that is, until i read the technomage trilogy.

i guess, some people really have to fight their animal tendencies a lot harder than others if they want to maintain control. (others just enjoy being out of control, often to the detriment of innocent bystanders). the pain - galen brining the fire down on himself in the book, self-flegellation in catholicism - that pain focuses the mind, and allows a person to bring their baser instincts under their conscious control.

for that insight into fundamental human nature, i nominate the technomage triology as an outstanding book.
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Old July 12 2008, 10:16 AM   #1085
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i thought the triology was good the first time i read it - much better than the centauri triology (evidently written by english major flunkies), but not quite up to the level of the psi-corp trilogy (which would be good scifi even if it wasn't part of the B5-verse).
Peter David wrote the Centauri trilogy and I'd hardly call him an English major flunkie.
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Old July 12 2008, 03:47 PM   #1086
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i thought the triology was good the first time i read it - much better than the centauri triology (evidently written by english major flunkies), but not quite up to the level of the psi-corp trilogy (which would be good scifi even if it wasn't part of the B5-verse).
Peter David wrote the Centauri trilogy and I'd hardly call him an English major flunkie.
actually, i don't know what education he has, but it is a very poorly written set of books... indeed, they only get worse as the trilogy progresses.

for what it's worth, i just assumed that peter david put his name on it - and let some factory of struggling writers write it for him. no one actually writes that much. well almost no one.
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Old July 12 2008, 04:48 PM   #1087
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Be more specific about what you think makes the books get worse as the reader proceeds through the trilogy.
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Old July 14 2008, 12:34 AM   #1088
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Just finished watching Spider in the Web. I found the concept to be more interesting than the execution. The scene with Amanda Carter and Abel, in which Abel starts to seizure, was played quite well by Michael Beck though. Pretty horrific. Good job by the writers following up on how Sheridan was able to come by the classified cyborg info so quickly.

The next statement I make is simply my own opinion and I've no desire to debate or argue. From what I've seen thus far from B5, the evidence that DS9 was derivative is mounting up. I find myself slowly becoming a believer. I had a bad feeling this show was going to change the way I look at my favorite Trek series.
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Old July 14 2008, 01:07 PM   #1089
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Anthony, as much as I appreciate your lack of desire at debating or arguing that point, please take this word of advice. Don't bother with trying to determine which came first or which ripped the other off, etc. Speaking as a veteran of those debates, you will be much happier if you don't look for any "evidence". Just note whatever similarities you might happen to see, call them "inspirations" then move on to enjoying both shows - DS9 as well as B5.
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Old July 17 2008, 05:12 AM   #1090
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Good advice.

Checked out A Race Through Dark Places tonight. They finally did something to make the Dr. interesting. He is one of the rare cases in which the actor is more compelling than the character he's playing. And the mind fake with Talia took me hook, line and sinker. I was surfing around on the PC while watching, and when that scene happened, my mouth literally dropped open.
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Old July 17 2008, 04:53 PM   #1091
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If you're like me and enjoy having a show pull a sting on you like that, you have a few more to look forward to in this series.
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Old July 18 2008, 05:10 PM   #1092
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I have a feeling you may end up finding Dr. Franklin more interesting down the line, too.

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Old July 20 2008, 06:02 AM   #1093
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I have a feeling you may end up finding Dr. Franklin more interesting down the line, too.

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You're so right. In fact this season has brought some interesting character changes. The Doc is actually interesting. That backstory they did with he and his father was both well written and needed. He's being included more as a regular. But the award for biggest character change goes to Ivanova, hands down. It's like her character has done a complete 180. With Sinclair she was all formal and rigid. With Sheridan she's become a comedian. The sex dance she did in Acts of Sacrifice caught me way off guard. Never would have expected that from her.

I had a nitpick with Hunter, Prey. It was cool to have Garibaldi put on the Fedora and go old school gumshoe. However the station's chief of security wearing a hat is still the station's chief of security. I had a hard time believing the people down below wouldn't recognize the foremost security officer on B5.

I keep waiting for Londo to hit bottom but he just keeps sinking, trying to convince himself he's happy. I can't wait to see how he redeems himself, assuming he ever does.
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Old July 20 2008, 01:33 PM   #1094
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^^ Yes, Ivanova loosened up nicely, even without the dance in "Acts of Sacrifice". Change and growth is the hallmark of B5.

Re: "Hunter, Prey", Garibaldi had a point, though. Lurker's would probably scatter whenever they saw any security uniform and when else would they have seen him to recognize him? There don't seem to be many working BabCom units in DownBelow.

Londo...anything I say would be a spoiler and it's too good to do that.

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Old July 22 2008, 02:46 AM   #1095
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I'm about five minutes into There All Honor Lies. "Deep space franchise..." Whoooooa there! So was B5 the first to fire a shot across the bow?

They spaced the bear?! Kind of harsh I think. Was this whole episode a subtle shot at Trek merchandising? Funny.

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