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Old September 17 2007, 03:38 PM   #376
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Re: Niners Unite...around Babylon 5! - The Lost Threads

^ Master of understatement is right.

I still can't tell if he even liked the show or not.
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Old September 17 2007, 08:34 PM   #377
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Re: Niners Unite...around Babylon 5! - The Lost Threads

Jan said:
od0_ital said:
Well, I just finished the series finale. That was really something.
Has anybody ever told you that you're a master at understatement?
Actually, yes, I have been told that, more than once, both online and in real life.

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Old September 17 2007, 08:38 PM   #378
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As for Byron...

I think the long hair makes him look gay.
Nah, a gay man wouldn't be caught dead with bad hair like Byron's.
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Old September 17 2007, 09:44 PM   #379
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Re: Niners Unite...around Babylon 5! - The Lost Threads

Thoughts on the fifth season are posted at my LiveJournal -

http://od0-ital.livejournal.com/236533.html

- for those who are interested.

I'll go ahead and watch The River of Souls & A Call to Arms tonight.
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Old September 17 2007, 10:19 PM   #380
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Re: Niners Unite...around Babylon 5! - The Lost Threads

Just one thing...you haven't seen the Telepath War yet - nobody has. What you saw was one of the major players in the war getting to where she needed to be.

So after you finish the movies are you going to watch Crusade?

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Old September 17 2007, 10:38 PM   #381
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Just one thing...you haven't seen the Telepath War yet - nobody has. What you saw was one of the major players in the war getting to where she needed to be.
Oh...well, I guess that's a relief.

So after you finish the movies are you going to watch Crusade?
Dunno - I'll have to watch the movies first, and go from there.

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Old September 18 2007, 01:25 AM   #382
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od0_ital said:And, it just seems odd to me that the new character on the show is buried in the second tier credits.
I meant to address this earlier and was reminded when you posted it to your LiveJournal. I'm no expert on credits, mind you, but I *think* that this may have had something to do with the number of episodes that Tracy was contracted for. Previously, Claudia, Bruce and Jerry were all contracted for 22 episodes per season whether they actually appeared or not. Others, for instance, might only have been contracted for 13 or so. JMS mentioned in Script Book #11 that he'd deliberately left the new character of Lochley out of some episodes early in the season in order to allow him time to cast that character. Season 5 also had a fair number of stand-alone episodes like "The Corps is Mother..." and "The Very Long Night...". That may be why Tracy/Lochely appears as 'Also Starring' instead of in the "Starring" tier.

The only other thing I know about credits is that it's often a matter of negotiation.

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Old September 18 2007, 01:39 AM   #383
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Yeah, I know, its almost always all about negotiation when it comes to how folks get into the openin' credits of a series. I just think that her placement shows that she isn't as important, considerin' she was essentially doin' the jobs of two first tier characters.

Of course, her lack of importance in the credits translates to lack of importance in the series - she really didn't do that much, did she?

Just finished watchin' Babylon 5: The River of Souls, and that's the sort of stuff I wish Lochley had gotten durin' the series. She's central to the story, gets to do some action, and has some nice interaction with the other characters.

And the holographic version wasn't bad, either.

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Old September 18 2007, 02:10 AM   #384
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Of course, her lack of importance in the credits translates to lack of importance in the series - she really didn't do that much, did she?
Part of the problem was that she joined the cast in the fifth season, hardly a good time to start any major arc for a character. You commented on the lack of momentum in the first half of the season and that's due in large part to the fact that so many of the arcs had been tied off in the fourth. All things considered, I think we learned at least as much about her character in this one season as we learned about Ivanova in the first season.

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Old September 18 2007, 02:24 AM   #385
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I don't know about that. Ivanova had quite a bit goin' on, character wise if not development wise, durin' the first season. The most Lochley had was a quarter of a story in 'Day of the Dead'.

Of course, B5 could have gone the "Ezri Route" and devoted half a dozen episodes of the final season to the new character.
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Old September 18 2007, 02:30 AM   #386
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Would have been better than giving all that screen time to Byron. Ugh.
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Old September 18 2007, 03:20 AM   #387
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And I really didn't mind the absence of Captain Lochley, again 'cause of the time the episode was filmed, as opposed to the time it aired.

This brings up an interesting query. If, as it turns out, Lochley is in command of B5 longer than either Sinclair or Sheridan (as proven by Crusade and Voices in the Dark), why wouldn't she have been one of the crew saying goodbye to the station in "Sleeping in Light" ?

Of course, we know the "real world" reason, but what could possibly be the "in story" reason? I think there's only one option.
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Old September 18 2007, 03:24 AM   #388
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... but what could possibly be the "in story" reason? I think there's only one option.
I can think of two.

There's the obvious one.

And there's the less obvious one.

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Old September 18 2007, 03:24 AM   #389
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Hadn't really thought of that. The "real world" explanation has always trumped any kind of speculation for me. It does beg an interesting question.Perhaps, that shed' already "said" good bye albeit one with a different slant, in the previous episode. Given the time lag between "Objects At Rest" - where she says "good bye" to the last of the former command staff - and that in "Sleeping In Light" or even "Voives...", a great deal could have happened to her. Accidents on a starliner, possible transfer to captain a warship.... or perhaps events that set up her absence in "Sleeping In Light".
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Old September 18 2007, 03:27 AM   #390
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Or maybe she sailed off into the sunset with Captain Gideon. Or maybe she just moved on to something bigger and better. Maybe she had a falling out with Sheridan and co. for some reason. Maybe she just became fed up with the station and decided to retire. There are so many possibilities that nobody can say with any certainty that she died.
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