Haha - Riker leading an away team on an unusual transport...

DostoyevskyClone · August 19 2007, 06:25 PM

Just rewatched 'Realm of Fear'. So what does Riker do when faced with leading an away team on an unusual transport situation where they can only transport one at time over to a stranded Federation ship? He volunteers Worf to go first!

After O'Brien says that he's made it over, then he bravely says "I'll go next..."

What a guy!

Trekker4747 · August 19 2007, 06:34 PM

Well, there's two ways to look at this:

If the transport failed the ship would still have a commanding officer.

And (proably how Riker looked at it) if there where hostiles on the ship they couldn't detect your Security Chief is the best person to be the first over to handle it.

middyseafort · August 19 2007, 07:26 PM

DostoyevskyClone said:
Just rewatched 'Realm of Fear'. So what does Riker do when faced with leading an away team on an unusual transport situation where they can only transport one at time over to a stranded Federation ship? He volunteers Worf to go first!

After O'Brien says that he's made it over, then he bravely says "I'll go next..."

What a guy!

In any given dangerous situation, a military CO often is faced sending a subordinate into it first rather than going himself/herself. A CO is considered valuable for his/her training and the investment placed into him/her; a subordinate is considered more expendable. Riker was the superior officer, and thus his experience and leadership skills were more valuable than Worf's who, as security chief, is responsible for the safety of his CO. That's why he went first.

Another example is Yar in "Skin of Evil." She purposely tried to get past Armus first before Riker and Crusher, who as CO and CMO were more valuable to the mission. On a side note, I hate that this was called a senseless death. She died doing her job. As a security officer, she was proud of her position and knew that she could die. It was tragic and sudden, but not senseless (not everyone in goes out in a blaze of glory).

Trekker4747 · August 19 2007, 08:54 PM

No, it was senseless. She was killed by an angry being for no reason at all and what's more she was killed by rushing into a situation head-strong rather than thinking through.

Her death WAS senseless.

Orac · August 19 2007, 11:30 PM

If Kirk had been leading that away team he would have volunteered to go first.

Anwar · August 20 2007, 01:18 AM

Cause Kirk didn't act like a CO really would act in those situations, he acted like a romantc adventurer. For TNG they decided to go for something other than a blatant rip-off.

Admiral Buzzkill · August 20 2007, 01:34 AM

orac said:
If Kirk had been leading that away team he would have volunteered to go first.

"Sounds like a piss-poor ship's Captain."

Jimmy_C · August 20 2007, 02:35 AM

orac said:
If Kirk had been leading that away team he would have volunteered to go first.

In skin of evil? Armus would have tried to kill Kirk, but instead only his shirt would have been stained.

Jimmy_C · August 20 2007, 02:39 AM

I think I accidentally proposed the most absurd slash fan fiction ever...

Alidar Jarok · August 20 2007, 03:47 AM

Riker had the right idea. In that situation, Worf was the best choice.

One I always got a kick out of was in Q-Who. Picard tells Worf to stop the Borg and Worf looks at the guy next to him to do it (and the guy promptly gets thrown halfway across the room). Not that Worf was necessarily wrong to send a subordinate, but it was just so unusual (since Worf is usually the one to go after someone in that situation).

Trekker4747 · August 20 2007, 07:34 PM

One I always got a kick out of was in Q-Who. Picard tells Worf to stop the Borg and Worf looks at the guy next to him to do it (and the guy promptly gets thrown halfway across the room). Not that Worf was necessarily wrong to send a subordinate, but it was just so unusual (since Worf is usually the one to go after someone in that situation).

I loved that bit too.

Worf just looks at him like, "Uhh... You do it."

Redshirts_Widow · August 20 2007, 10:21 PM

Trekker4747 said:

One I always got a kick out of was in Q-Who. Picard tells Worf to stop the Borg and Worf looks at the guy next to him to do it (and the guy promptly gets thrown halfway across the room). Not that Worf was necessarily wrong to send a subordinate, but it was just so unusual (since Worf is usually the one to go after someone in that situation).

I loved that bit too.

Worf just looks at him like, "Uhh... You do it."

DS9's 'The Search' always smacked of that to me.

Starfleet Admiral: "What's that Sisko? Big powerful new adversary? Wiped out one of our Galaxy Class Starships? Doesn't want to negotiate? Here, take this experimental starship that we're not using and see what you can find out.There's a good fellow...."
Sisko: "Um...Sir...shouldn't we send, like a diplomat? Or a bigger starship? Or someone a little more experienced? A Captain maybe? I am only a commander after all..."
Admiral "No, not at all! We have the upmost confidence in you. Your unfinished and unstable starship is on its way! BYE!"
<Click>
Sisko: Um Sir?...Sir?

It's the penguin theory of threat analysis; the whole group shuffles forward until the first few are pushed in, then everyone looks to see if they get eaten. If they don't the rest of the group know that the water is safe! It's official - Sisko is a penguin!

Edited to fix appalling spelling

Hermiod · August 21 2007, 07:59 AM

orac said:
If Kirk had been leading that away team he would have volunteered to go first.

But he would have taken the ship's entire senior staff with him as well as a good looking woman who happens to be one of the Enterprise's absurd number of "specialists".

Hippokrene · August 23 2007, 04:06 AM

And a couple of red-shirts, that he would have go first, thus being killed.

blakbyrd · August 23 2007, 05:43 AM

Redshirts_Widow said:
DS9's 'The Search' always smacked of that to me.

Starfleet Admiral: "What's that Sisko? Big powerful new adversary? Wiped out one of our Galaxy Class Starships? Doesn't want to negotiate? Here, take this experimental starship that we're not using and see what you can find out.There's a good fellow...."
Sisko: "Um...Sir...shouldn't we send, like a diplomat? Or a bigger starship? Or someone a little more experienced? A Captain maybe? I am only a commander after all..."
Admiral "No, not at all! We have the upmost confidence in you. Your unfinished and unstable starship is on its way! BYE!"
<Click>
Sisko: Um Sir?...Sir?

It's the penguin theory of threat analysis; the whole group shuffles forward until the first few are pushed in, then everyone looks to see if they get eaten. If they don't the rest of the group know that the water is safe! It's official - Sisko is a penguin!

Yep!

Hermiod said:
[Kirk] would have taken the ship's entire senior staff with him as well as a good looking woman who happens to be one of the Enterprise's absurd number of "specialists".

Exactly!

August 19 2007, 06:25 PM	#1
DostoyevskyClone Captain Location: Bouville, France	Haha - Riker leading an away team on an unusual transport... Just rewatched 'Realm of Fear'. So what does Riker do when faced with leading an away team on an unusual transport situation where they can only transport one at time over to a stranded Federation ship? He volunteers Worf to go first! After O'Brien says that he's made it over, then he bravely says "I'll go next..." What a guy! __________________ "Life is islands of ecstasy in an ocean of ennui, and after the age of thirty land is seldom seen. At best we wander from one much-worn sandbar to the next, soon familiar with each grain of sand we see..." The Dice Man by Luke Rhinehart

August 19 2007, 06:34 PM	#2
Trekker4747 To boldly go... Location: Kansas City	Re: Haha - Riker leading an away team on an unusual transport... Well, there's two ways to look at this: If the transport failed the ship would still have a commanding officer. And (proably how Riker looked at it) if there where hostiles on the ship they couldn't detect your Security Chief is the best person to be the first over to handle it. __________________ Just because it's futuristic doesn't mean it's practical.

August 19 2007, 08:54 PM	#4
Trekker4747 To boldly go... Location: Kansas City	Re: Haha - Riker leading an away team on an unusual transpor No, it was senseless. She was killed by an angry being for no reason at all and what's more she was killed by rushing into a situation head-strong rather than thinking through. Her death WAS senseless. __________________ Just because it's futuristic doesn't mean it's practical.

August 19 2007, 11:30 PM	#5
Orac Vice Admiral Location: Platonius	Re: Haha - Riker leading an away team on an unusual transpor If Kirk had been leading that away team he would have volunteered to go first. __________________ "Sorry, miss. I was giving myself an oil-job." - Robby the Robot (Forbidden Planet)

August 20 2007, 01:18 AM	#6
Anwar Vice Admiral Location: Regina, SK, Canada	Re: Haha - Riker leading an away team on an unusual transpor Cause Kirk didn't act like a CO really would act in those situations, he acted like a romantc adventurer. For TNG they decided to go for something other than a blatant rip-off.

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August 20 2007, 02:39 AM	#9
Jimmy_C Fleet Captain Location: Pittsburgh PA, USA	Re: Haha - Riker leading an away team on an unusual transpor I think I accidentally proposed the most absurd slash fan fiction ever... __________________ "Is this all that I am? Is there nothing more?" - V'GER "Don't tell me what it can't do: I built the damn thing!" - Emory Erickson

August 20 2007, 03:47 AM	#10
Alidar Jarok Everything in moderation but moderation Location: Arlington, VA	Re: Haha - Riker leading an away team on an unusual transpor Riker had the right idea. In that situation, Worf was the best choice. One I always got a kick out of was in Q-Who. Picard tells Worf to stop the Borg and Worf looks at the guy next to him to do it (and the guy promptly gets thrown halfway across the room). Not that Worf was necessarily wrong to send a subordinate, but it was just so unusual (since Worf is usually the one to go after someone in that situation). __________________ When on Romulus, Do as the Romulans

August 23 2007, 04:06 AM	#14
Hippokrene Lieutenant Junior Grade	Re: Haha - Riker leading an away team on an unusual transpor And a couple of red-shirts, that he would have go first, thus being killed.