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Old August 17 2007, 05:11 PM   #61
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Re: Andy Probert releases prelim plans for USS Ambassador ki

Interesting but personally I´d rather see him include his idea of what the bridge should have looked like rather than the redress of the "bridge of the week" set they had to use due to time & budget limitations.
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Old August 18 2007, 12:10 AM   #62
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It's looking better all the time.
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Old August 18 2007, 01:03 AM   #63
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FalTorPan said:
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The Ambassador class that was shown on screen has, imho, very little to apologise for.
Although I prefer Probert's take on the design, I like Sternbach's version a great deal, too. As I said in one of my earliest posts in this thread, comparing the two designs is somewhat unfair, because Rick's design was very much constrained by the practicalities of constructing a ship of the week. Andy's design was/is not.
Amen on both counts! I like both Mr.'s Probert and Sternbach's designs. If you want to get all can-anal about the two designs being somewhat disparate, perhaps Mr. Probert's is the original prototype as-built and the E-C - and others - are the refined design after a decade or two.

*shrug* YMMV, as always. I just wish I could get an exact version of Mr. Proberts redisgn in 1/2500 scale once he's fully fleshed it out.
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Old August 18 2007, 04:31 AM   #64
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lennier1 said:
Interesting but personally I´d rather see him include his idea of what the bridge should have looked like rather than the redress of the "bridge of the week" set they had to use due to time & budget limitations.
Agreed -- but it seems likely that the "bridge module" might be swappable for a non-ship-of-the-week variant. And at the proposed 1/1400 scale of the model, the placement of a few bumps and lumps on the tiny bridge module isn't going to look much different from design to design anyway.
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Old August 19 2007, 02:44 AM   #65
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The bigger ships do have kind of indistinct bridge features thanks to their huge size.
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Old August 19 2007, 03:22 AM   #66
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Agreed -- but it seems likely that the "bridge module" might be swappable for a non-ship-of-the-week variant. And at the proposed 1/1400 scale of the model, the placement of a few bumps and lumps on the tiny bridge module isn't going to look much different from design to design anyway.
The "swappable bridge module" idea has always made a lot of sense to me. It goes a long way to explain the difference for Reliant in ST:TWoK, if nothing else. I forget for sure where I first heard it, but want to say it was in Shane Johnson's "Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise". I'm sure he got that idea from Mr. Probert, but don't recall any of the details.
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Old August 19 2007, 03:28 AM   #67
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Agreed -- but it seems likely that the "bridge module" might be swappable for a non-ship-of-the-week variant. And at the proposed 1/1400 scale of the model, the placement of a few bumps and lumps on the tiny bridge module isn't going to look much different from design to design anyway.
The "swappable bridge module" idea has always made a lot of sense to me. It goes a long way to explain the difference for Reliant in ST:TWoK, if nothing else. I forget for sure where I first heard it, but want to say it was in Shane Johnson's "Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise". I'm sure he got that idea from Mr. Probert, but don't recall any of the details.

Well, the detachable bridge idea is in the ships of the fleet books. the bridges could act as a life boat in an emergence.
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Old August 19 2007, 12:49 PM   #68
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I didn't know this until interviewing Andrew Probert in 2005, but Probert designed the Enterprise-D's battle bridge to be a separable lifeboat with its own propulsion system. I don't know if he had intended for the main bridge structure to have this capability.

A footnote on page 32 of the Star Trek: The Next Generation Technical Manual has more info about the idea of a bridge module being "swappable." Here's an excerpt:

The concept of the replaceable bridge module originate during Star Trek V, when we were working with Herman Zimmerman on a new Enterprise bridge that was quite a bit different from the one seen in Star Trek IV. We rationalized that this was because the bridge... was a plug-in module designed for easy replacement. This would permit the ship's control systems to be upgraded, thereby extending the useful lifetime of a starship, and would make it easier to customize a particular ship for a specific type of mission.
This idea sounds good on first glance, and might actually be a good idea in theory. Of course, the turbolift passthrough points on the Trek IV and Trek V (and Trek VI!) bridges all had different locations, so it doesn't seem likely that the Enterprise-A's bridge could simply be swapped out.

I've been told that the bridge module of Probert's Enterprise-C is ejectable -- and that the ship can separate, with each module having its own impulse propulsion system.
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Old August 19 2007, 06:00 PM   #69
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The work-in-progress image has been updated:

* The primary hull's impulse engine structure has been defined

* The primary hull's shuttlebay has been defined

* The basic shape of the secondary hull's "clam shell" shuttlebay doors has been defined

* A "separator surface" has been defined for the secondary hull -- presumably showing the interface "seam" between the secondary hull's upper and lower surfaces
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Old August 19 2007, 06:36 PM   #70
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Its nice to see this coming together
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Old August 19 2007, 10:02 PM   #71
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The work-in-progress image has been updated:

* The primary hull's impulse engine structure has been defined

* The primary hull's shuttlebay has been defined

* The basic shape of the secondary hull's "clam shell" shuttlebay doors has been defined

* A "separator surface" has been defined for the secondary hull -- presumably showing the interface "seam" between the secondary hull's upper and lower surfaces

Very cool!!!


By the way, long time no talk FTP...
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Old August 19 2007, 10:35 PM   #72
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Not sure what the drool is about -- hopefully it's for the developing Enterprise-C design -- but yeah, it's been a long while since we last chatted, hutt359.
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Old August 19 2007, 11:08 PM   #73
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Not sure what the drool is about -- hopefully it's for the developing Enterprise-C design -- but yeah, it's been a long while since we last chatted, hutt359.
It was, I hate this board and it's quarks with he smilies.
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Old August 19 2007, 11:16 PM   #74
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Re: Andy Probert releases prelim plans for USS Ambassador ki

FalTorPan said:
The work-in-progress image has been updated:

* The primary hull's impulse engine structure has been defined

* The primary hull's shuttlebay has been defined

* The basic shape of the secondary hull's "clam shell" shuttlebay doors has been defined

* A "separator surface" has been defined for the secondary hull -- presumably showing the interface "seam" between the secondary hull's upper and lower surfaces
It seems that Andy and I had similar ideas for the impulse deck.



This was my own "revision" of the Ambassador, during March of this year. I was working with Rick's model, but it's interesting to see we both had the same ideas for the impulse engine.

Then again, it's really not that surprising when you try to bridge the NX-2000 and 1701-D aesthetics without creating a design that deserves the name Elephantiasis-class. That's really easy to do.
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Old August 19 2007, 11:52 PM   #75
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I like both the new impulse deck and the upswept angle of the pylons. The impulse deck looks to be a sort of "throwback" to the Refit than the Excelsior, tho. I like it, regardless it's lineage.
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