HD experts, help an idiot! - Page 4

Therin of Andor · July 14 2007, 04:24 AM

Trekker4747 said:
TNG wasn't filmed in widescreen so it shouldn't be presented in widescreen.

So, as viewer sophistication grows to where everyone owns and watches widescreen TV, they will choose to ignore shows that don't match up with their equipment, or at least find that they just don't watch it as often.

I have several favourite LPs not available as CDs and, as much as I love them, they are simply too much trouble to play in LP format. Cleaning them with anti-static clothes, getting up halfway through to flip the disk, being careful with storage to avoid warping...

Just as people found themselves no longer playing mono records on their stereos, replacing beloved LPs with CD version, watching early b/w episodes of "Gilligan's Island" in syndication when the laters seasons were in colour, or buying colourized "Bewitched" boxed DVD sets in preference to the b/w sets right beside them.

If Paramount aims DVD product only at the purists, they'll go under.

Mr. Laser Beam · July 14 2007, 04:41 AM

Trekker4747 said:
That's kind of the point, Baba, they'd pretty much have to remake every episode from scratch. Re-edit it, re make and insert SFX and then they'd have the episodes.

That's exactly what they're doing with TOS. And given that they're willing to put all that work into *that* series, it stands to reason they'll do it all over again for the others.

Nebusj · July 14 2007, 06:06 AM

There's very little re-editing being done to the Original Series. With few exceptions it amounts to replacing special effects shots, mostly the views of the Enterprise in space or orbiting a planet. That's typically about one minute of work per episode in a half-dozen or so shots. The live-action footage isn't being re-framed or re-edited (apart from syndication cuts).

DarkHelmet · July 14 2007, 07:36 PM

Trekker4747 said:
Rear Projection. The manual for it specifically said to avoid watching TV in 4:3 mode too much.

Yeah, I previously owned a 43" RP HD TV. It does say to avoid watching 4:3 mode more than 10% of the time.

Doug Otte · July 16 2007, 06:03 PM

I'm wondering, Mods, since this topic (possibility of TNG in HD) comes up every other week, should it be a sticky at the top of the TNG forum? Otherwise, somebody ends up having to explain all the details about film, HD, and how TNG was created. Maybe we can post all these details in a sticky.

Doug

JJohnson · July 29 2007, 10:13 AM

Based on the story at Trekmovie.com...there's test footage out there of TNG-HD. Anyone know anything about it?

James

Mr. B · July 29 2007, 08:10 PM

Has anyone ever seen pics/scans of some original film reel from TNG?

JJohnson · August 4 2007, 08:02 PM

That wouldn't be a bad idea - to see the original film, in comparison to what we saw on screen. Then we can see if there's additional information that was cut, what the original size of the film was, etc.

James

Ezri · August 4 2007, 09:12 PM

It would be nice to see Star Trek in the letter box, or what we call today HD TV

USS Mariner · August 7 2007, 05:22 AM

DarkHelmet said:

Trekker4747 said:
Rear Projection. The manual for it specifically said to avoid watching TV in 4:3 mode too much.

Yeah, I previously owned a 43" RP HD TV. It does say to avoid watching 4:3 mode more than 10% of the time.

That's retarded. I can understand it's a hardware limitation, but it's still stupid.

Outpost4 · August 7 2007, 06:43 AM

^ I don't get this. I have a tube HDTV set. Nothing burns in like a tube set. I watch mostly 4:3 broadcasts in windowboxing, with the bars on the side. I've owned it for 6 years. There is no burn-in.

This is the biggest reason the bars are grey, not black. This avoids burn-in.

Salinga · August 11 2007, 11:23 PM

I don't know if this has posted yet, but ex-astris-scientia.org has wrote an article about this issue:

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/in...ent_vs_tng.htm

StewMc · August 11 2007, 11:57 PM

^
Good article, only one new thing in it that we haven't talked about, but its an interesting one: they widened the TNG footage slightly to fit the frame as there seemingly wasn't enough to fill the whole 16x9 frame without cropping too much at the top.

RAMA · August 12 2007, 02:52 AM

StewMc said:
^
Good article, only one new thing in it that we haven't talked about, but its an interesting one: they widened the TNG footage slightly to fit the frame as there seemingly wasn't enough to fill the whole 16x9 frame without cropping too much at the top.

There's an obvious difference in the quality, and if the FX match up to the clarity and detail of the ENT shots, then STNG will only look better.

RAMA

July 14 2007, 06:06 AM	#48
Nebusj Rear Admiral	Re: HD experts, help an idiot! There's very little re-editing being done to the Original Series. With few exceptions it amounts to replacing special effects shots, mostly the views of the Enterprise in space or orbiting a planet. That's typically about one minute of work per episode in a half-dozen or so shots. The live-action footage isn't being re-framed or re-edited (apart from syndication cuts).

July 16 2007, 06:03 PM	#50
Doug Otte Fleet Captain	Re: HD experts, help an idiot! I'm wondering, Mods, since this topic (possibility of TNG in HD) comes up every other week, should it be a sticky at the top of the TNG forum? Otherwise, somebody ends up having to explain all the details about film, HD, and how TNG was created. Maybe we can post all these details in a sticky. Doug

July 29 2007, 10:13 AM	#51
JJohnson Captain Location: Jacksonville, FL	Re: HD experts, help an idiot! Based on the story at Trekmovie.com...there's test footage out there of TNG-HD. Anyone know anything about it? James

July 29 2007, 08:10 PM	#52
Mr. B Vice Admiral Location: New Orleans	Re: HD experts, help an idiot! Has anyone ever seen pics/scans of some original film reel from TNG? __________________ “Ridicule is the tribute paid to the genius by the mediocrities.” -Oscar Wilde

August 4 2007, 08:02 PM	#53
JJohnson Captain Location: Jacksonville, FL	Re: HD experts, help an idiot! That wouldn't be a bad idea - to see the original film, in comparison to what we saw on screen. Then we can see if there's additional information that was cut, what the original size of the film was, etc. James

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August 4 2007, 09:12 PM	#54
Ezri Captain Location: United States	Re: HD experts, help an idiot! It would be nice to see Star Trek in the letter box, or what we call today HD TV

August 7 2007, 06:43 AM	#56
Outpost4 Vice Admiral Location: Upper Mississippi River	Re: HD experts, help an idiot! ^ I don't get this. I have a tube HDTV set. Nothing burns in like a tube set. I watch mostly 4:3 broadcasts in windowboxing, with the bars on the side. I've owned it for 6 years. There is no burn-in. This is the biggest reason the bars are grey, not black. This avoids burn-in. __________________ I love you.

August 11 2007, 11:23 PM	#57
Salinga Captain	Re: HD experts, help an idiot! I don't know if this has posted yet, but ex-astris-scientia.org has wrote an article about this issue: http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/in...ent_vs_tng.htm

August 11 2007, 11:57 PM	#58
StewMc Commodore Location: Caldos IV	Re: HD experts, help an idiot! ^ Good article, only one new thing in it that we haven't talked about, but its an interesting one: they widened the TNG footage slightly to fit the frame as there seemingly wasn't enough to fill the whole 16x9 frame without cropping too much at the top.