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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old May 31 2007, 04:04 AM   #31
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Re: First Contact: Sphere's weapons = pathetic.

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Old May 31 2007, 04:09 AM   #32
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Old May 31 2007, 04:34 AM   #33
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Re: First Contact: Sphere's weapons = pathetic.

Yeah, I thought the sphere was pretty wimpy. Though it could be argued that it's purpose was to distract the E until the Borg were all on board.

What really gets me is that bullets can kill Borg. Upon this revelation, why isn't every replicator on the E set to AK-47?
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Old May 31 2007, 06:49 AM   #34
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ANYTHING can kill the Borg. More specifically, anything can kill two Borg Drones before they adapt. Even familiar things like standard phasers, as VOY amply demonstrated. It's the third Drone one should worry about...

Borg Drones don't travel pre-adapted; apparently they prefer to die first, in order to analyze what kind of weapons the enemy is wielding, until selecting the appropriate countermeasure. Picard may very well have known this, and thus would see no point in issuing tommy-guns to his crew after wasting those two Drones.

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Old May 31 2007, 08:44 PM   #35
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^ I hear what you're saying, but that's a cop out. (Sorry.) A simple projectile weapon has to be one of, if not the most common sort of weapon in existence. To not be able to defend against that is just silly, which was my point (hence the ).
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Old May 31 2007, 09:28 PM   #36
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Re: First Contact: Sphere's weapons = pathetic.

Well like on VOY, for whatever reason, the Borg 'reset' in each major episode/film, where ANY weapon seems to work for the first few shots.

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Yeah, I thought the sphere was pretty wimpy. Though it could be argued that it's purpose was to distract the E until the Borg were all on board.

I wonder how many drones actually transported over, and how many the sphere carried? I always suspected only a handful, into the Jeffries Tubes...
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Old June 1 2007, 01:09 AM   #37
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Kirkunit said:
^ I hear what you're saying, but that's a cop out. (Sorry.) A simple projectile weapon has to be one of, if not the most common sort of weapon in existence. To not be able to defend against that is just silly, which was my point (hence the ).
Well, the other tack to take is that it was an attack involving bullet-shaped force-fields meant to simulate, but not duplicate, machine gun bullets, making it a new and bizarre type of energy weapon that the Borg, conceivably, might not be adapted to.
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Another example of why the Star Trek people took a good idea (the Borg,) realised they wrote themselves into a hole with it, and had to disregard their own concept to make a plothole to let the heroes win.
Bollocks.

The only folks who even noticed that need to take a step back and just enjoy the fucking movie.
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Old June 3 2007, 06:57 PM   #39
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Good Will Riker said:
This is what you end up with when you have Brannon Braga co-write your scripts.
Methinks that Moore was just as responsible for any logistical mistakes such as this. He isn't exactly a perfect writer/producer either.
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Old June 4 2007, 07:37 AM   #40
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It cracks me up when people slag on a Moore/Braga script by just blaming Braga for it's failures. As if Ron Moore just let Braga do whatever the hell he wanted. As if Ron Moore is some wuss.
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Re: First Contact: Sphere's weapons = pathetic.

One wonders what the collaboration between both was like, we know the result in GEN and FC. What if they worked on the next TNG films...a longer film franchise?

However, Braga gets more blame perhaps because the results of their individual work is telling--Braga on to VOY and ENT, Moore on DS9 and BSG.

Furthermore, there is a narrative about how Braga and the team with Berman taking Trek's helm with VOY and ENT led to Moore's departure from Trek.

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Anyhow, back towards the main topic. Anyone guess how many Borg were actually aboard the sphere? Indeed perhaps it was a ruse to have the sphere be destroyed...
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^That's what I've always thought...
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