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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old May 28 2007, 02:06 AM   #1
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First Contact: Sphere's weapons = pathetic.

When the Borg Sphere was firing on the missle base on Montana, the blasts were no more powerful than your average 20th Century bomb.

WTF?

I mean, seriously.

Even Federation weapons, a standard Photon Torpedo, should have been enough to destroy the entire settlement in one hit, and the Borg are supposed to be more powerful with more powerful weapons than the Federation...

Another example of why the Star Trek people took a good idea (the Borg,) realised they wrote themselves into a hole with it, and had to disregard their own concept to make a plothole to let the heroes win.
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Old May 28 2007, 02:50 AM   #2
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Re: First Contact: Sphere's weapons = pathetic.

I noticed the same thing. You could have acheived the same level of damage by launching rocks the size of those torpedos.

If i punch my wall i create a hole, unless my fist has explosive properties i have no reason to assume the entire wall would come down, and that is why we build explosive devices... to cause more damage than the actual size and mass an object can provide. Borg torpedos appear not to work on that principle.

UNLESS they were bunker buster torpedos and exploded deep underground........ yes........ thats it......Borg Bunker Buster Bombs (Say that 10 times fast)
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Old May 28 2007, 04:35 AM   #3
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I just figured the Borg wanted to destroy the complex without killing potential new drones.
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Old May 28 2007, 04:53 AM   #4
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Re: First Contact: Sphere's weapons = pathetic.

That was really bad...I mean Kirk's NCC-1701 could destroy a planet.
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Old May 28 2007, 04:56 AM   #5
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They didn't want to destroy Humanity, they wanted to assimilate Humanity.
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Old May 28 2007, 05:22 AM   #6
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Re: First Contact: Sphere's weapons = pathetic.

it is one of those things that makes no sense but helps the story. Of course they could have wiped out the whole sate of Montana in one shot just to be sure....leaving plenty of humans to assimilate.

but of course if they did that it would ruin the fun of the story
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Old May 28 2007, 06:20 AM   #7
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Maybe they wanted to assimilate Zephram Cochrane?
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Old May 28 2007, 06:37 AM   #8
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Re: First Contact: Sphere's weapons = pathetic.

Wait, why would they want to prevent the Federation when 21st century humans were/are as bright as blackhole? wouldnt they gain more by assimilating the Humans/Federation as it existed?
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Old May 28 2007, 06:39 AM   #9
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If the Borg wanted to put an end to the Federation so badly that they were willing to whipe it from history... why not just send a fleet of 10 Cubes? I guess when the movie was concieved, they hadn't thought out the Borg Collective being as large as it was presented on VOY.
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Old May 28 2007, 06:48 AM   #10
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Re: First Contact: Sphere's weapons = pathetic.

Charles Trip Tucker III said:
If the Borg wanted to put an end to the Federation so badly that they were willing to whipe it from history... why not just send a fleet of 10 Cubes? I guess when the movie was concieved, they hadn't thought out the Borg Collective being as large as it was presented on VOY.
Less is more in this case.

Seeing an entire fleet including the Mellenium Falcon take on 1 cube and getting their asses handed to them demonstrates the power of the Borg, 10 cubes and wed expect nothing less than the fleet receiving their asses on a silver platter.
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Old May 28 2007, 06:49 AM   #11
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Re: First Contact: Sphere's weapons = pathetic.

I was speaking from the Borg's perspective, not that of the audience. You would think if one ship wasn't enough, you'd just send more... not go back in time and screw with history.
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Old May 28 2007, 07:01 AM   #12
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I was speaking from the Borg's perspective, not that of the audience. You would think if one ship wasn't enough, you'd just send more... not go back in time and screw with history.
Like Rumsfeld says "You go to war with what you have, not what youd like to have"

To this day im not sure if the Cube was the primary threat or if it was just acting as a carrier and the sphere was the primary threat.
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Old May 28 2007, 07:06 AM   #13
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This is what you end up with when you have Brannon Braga co-write your scripts.
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Old May 28 2007, 07:57 AM   #14
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Charles Trip Tucker III said:
I was speaking from the Borg's perspective, not that of the audience. You would think if one ship wasn't enough, you'd just send more... not go back in time and screw with history.
Like Rumsfeld says "You go to war with what you have, not what youd like to have"

To this day im not sure if the Cube was the primary threat or if it was just acting as a carrier and the sphere was the primary threat.
The thing is, VOY revealed that the Borg have hundreds if not thousands of ships. Surely the Collective could spare more than one?
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Old May 28 2007, 04:53 PM   #15
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Re: First Contact: Sphere's weapons = pathetic.

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Computer said:
Charles Trip Tucker III said:
I was speaking from the Borg's perspective, not that of the audience. You would think if one ship wasn't enough, you'd just send more... not go back in time and screw with history.
Like Rumsfeld says "You go to war with what you have, not what youd like to have"

To this day im not sure if the Cube was the primary threat or if it was just acting as a carrier and the sphere was the primary threat.
The thing is, VOY revealed that the Borg have hundreds if not thousands of ships. Surely the Collective could spare more than one?
Not only that but they have transwarp corridors that can bring the entire collective to Earths door step within 3 minutes.
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