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Old April 11 2008, 03:47 AM   #271
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Re: Ratings are in !

I thought I'd replied to this thread but I guess not.

I'm watching BSG till the end, and I'll check out Caprica afterwards, but I'm not annoyed to see the ratings drop as they have. BSG is not an easy sell. It's not intended to be. It goes over the top with the angst, presents uncomfortable, no-win moral dilemmas, and has prickly, annoying characters who are hard to root for all the time, or maybe any of the time. All that is definitely intentional, so I can't say it's wrong or bad the way badly written shows are bad, and there are PLENTY of those to go around.

BSG is great show that's simply not for everyone. If you want a show that's for everyone (or at least for a lot of people), watch American Idol.

Screw the ratings. As long as they're good enough to give us a full story - and four years is a full enough story for this premise - the ratings are fabulous.
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Old April 11 2008, 04:54 AM   #272
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I have ratings numbers on my side about how much crap the show puts out showing that it drove fans away.
Yeah, you also had some faulty logic about how people recording the show to watch later couldn't possibly affect the numbers.

All you fanboys have is rationalizations of why people don't like it and spin doctoring how ratings mean nothing...or are inaccurate...or whatever.
Hey, if you disagree with the rationalizations why not try rebutting them? Unless its just easier for you to berate everyone here, bitch about RDM and whine that the whole world is against you. In that case, you're doing a fine job.
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Old April 11 2008, 05:07 AM   #273
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I thought I'd replied to this thread but I guess not.

I'm watching BSG till the end, and I'll check out Caprica afterwards, but I'm not annoyed to see the ratings drop as they have. BSG is not an easy sell. It's not intended to be. It goes over the top with the angst, presents uncomfortable, no-win moral dilemmas, and has prickly, annoying characters who are hard to root for all the time, or maybe any of the time. All that is definitely intentional, so I can't say it's wrong or bad the way badly written shows are bad, and there are PLENTY of those to go around.

BSG is great show that's simply not for everyone. If you want a show that's for everyone (or at least for a lot of people), watch American Idol.

Screw the ratings. As long as they're good enough to give us a full story - and four years is a full enough story for this premise - the ratings are fabulous.

QTF!

BSG is not for everyone. If you enjoy watching it, watch it. If you don't, don't. Its really that simple.

I keep reading how season three was bad. How the characters changed, how bad the writing was, etc... but I find myself liking it for those same reasons. It keeps us on our toes, like real life does.

To me, it is perfect.
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Old April 11 2008, 05:13 AM   #274
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The rabid blind fanboys make it a point to drive everyone away who doesn't constantly drool out that BSG is perfect.
To be fair, I think "Black Market" was shit, "Hero" was mediocre, I hated the love quadrangle with a passion towards the end, and I am also pretty sure I hate Roslin with a passion at this point. So, unless these points are what makes BSG perfect, I haven't been driven off. In fact, as far as I know, I'm on good terms with most/ all people here.

I have ratings numbers on my side about how much crap the show puts out showing that it drove fans away.

All you fanboys have is rationalizations of why people don't like it and spin doctoring how ratings mean nothing...or are inaccurate...or whatever.
At this very moment, ratings don't matter for BSG. And, if you saw all of Russ' ratings charts, the drop was happening for all of SciFi's top shows, not just that lousy show BSG.
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Old April 11 2008, 05:23 AM   #275
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Screw the ratings. As long as they're good enough to give us a full story - and four years is a full enough story for this premise - the ratings are fabulous.
Yes, well, Sci-Fi has been known to kill shows before the end of the contract before; if BSG bombs in the ratings (not that I think this will happen!), I wouldn't be surprised if 4x10 was the last episode.
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Old April 11 2008, 05:35 AM   #276
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Screw the ratings. As long as they're good enough to give us a full story - and four years is a full enough story for this premise - the ratings are fabulous.
Yes, well, Sci-Fi has been known to kill shows before the end of the contract before; if BSG bombs in the ratings (not that I think this will happen!), I wouldn't be surprised if 4x10 was the last episode.
The last few episodes are already in production. I think the show is safe at this point.
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Old April 11 2008, 06:09 AM   #277
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Screw the ratings. As long as they're good enough to give us a full story - and four years is a full enough story for this premise - the ratings are fabulous.
Yes, well, Sci-Fi has been known to kill shows before the end of the contract before; if BSG bombs in the ratings (not that I think this will happen!), I wouldn't be surprised if 4x10 was the last episode.
They're in production with the back nine already. Sci-Fi has already made the investment. At this point, the series will finish a complete fourth season.
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Old April 11 2008, 06:22 AM   #278
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The last few episodes are already in production. I think the show is safe at this point.
Yeah, pretty much.

Still, I do find it funny that the ratings seem to be getting better now, of all times.
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Old April 11 2008, 12:30 PM   #279
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I have ratings numbers on my side about how much crap the show puts out showing that it drove fans away.

All you fanboys have is rationalizations of why people don't like it and spin doctoring how ratings mean nothing...or are inaccurate...or whatever.
Again, just WHY the show went down in the ratings is not a matter of opinion. The fact that it turned into a soap in your eyes as well as that of other people on this board doesn't mean that's the reason the numbers went down in general.

That MAY be the reason (please ackknowledge that I'm actually saying this may be true) but what I'm saying is it's just an assumption at this point - not fact. I've got no numbers to back it up either way but I assume neither do you.

If you do, please present them here!

And there's something else to consider: Check out Russ's rating scale: http://trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=1512055&postcount=229. The ratings have been in steady decline from the get go with a spike at the beginning of S2 (or somewhere around there) but going downhill otherwise.

How do you explain that? If I understood you correctly, you really liked S1 as well as S2 (or at least parts of that season). So how come there's been a gradual decline throughout?

If you don't like the show, that's fine. And there's no denying the numbers have gone down. The charts clearly show that. But please don't try to sell your assumptions as fact.
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Old April 12 2008, 01:25 AM   #280
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^As you said, ratings have been constantly going down, even through season one. What if a large part of that number is BSG TOS folks giving up on the show? In spite of the hate coming up even before the airing of the mini, what if a bunch of the original folks tuned it. They felt that the mini wasn't close enough to their show, so a bunch left. Some tried to hang on, but as time passed, more and more of the TOS group gave up on the show. I'm not saying that TOSers all hate the show, and I'm not saying that all new folks love the show, but what if this was a contributing factor to the ratings, as well as the before mentioned overall and consistant drop on the sci-fi channel.
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Old April 12 2008, 06:53 PM   #281
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A lot of people, not just TOSers, gave up on this show for a few reasons:

1) it's science fiction. Not a lot of people have a lot of patience for something that's labeled as such.

2) is on Sci-Fi. Further alienating the audience, as they realize they have to pay for all the other crap on there and cancel the channel.

3) It's highly serialized. That's partly why my husband gave up. Miss one, you usually miss something important to understand the next one. Case in point: I had to pause several times last night to explain this and that scene.

I could go on and on, but my company just arrived.
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Old April 14 2008, 06:06 PM   #282
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So I don't know why everyone here is worrying about pointless ratings.
No one is really worrying about ratings. This is all just about one or two people in this thread who desperately want the rest of us to cry "Uncle." Which, of course, is never going to happen.

Why? Because we got everything we wanted. And in the world of genre shows (hell, most television shows), that almost never happens.

It's like following around the guy who just won the lottery and rambling on and on about how there was a coffee stain on the lottery ticket. "Was there? Maybe there was. Who cares? I won! How could that stain possibly matter now? What does that have to do with anything?"

There isn't much else for us to do at this point but feel sorry for the guy who is trying so hard to convince us that we shoudn't be as happy as we obviously are.

And what would ever motivate anyone to even bother trying to do that, other than their own unhappiness? So again, I guess we should feel sorry for them.

Or just loan them our BSG DVDs to try to cheer them up.


We don't care if you're happy...we're trying to reconnect you to reality. You all can try to paint everyone who points out the ratings decline as trolls all you want. I'm sure the other starry eyed fanboys will agree with you. The rest of us however have watched the show...we've payed attentions to the ratings...we know the show lost viewers quickly when it turned into a soap...hell, looking at that avatar...I'm betting you love the soap. The problem is as DarthMarley pointed out in the other thread...the number of viewers who like the soap don't make up for those who left in disgust. To the ratings spin doctors...we just look at you and shake our heads.

I wonder what's going to happen to Scifichannel in the long run. Their flagship show has been dwindling for some time while Ghosthunters, ECW and silly B-movies seem to be the big ratings winner at Skiffy
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Old April 14 2008, 06:47 PM   #283
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One word answer...

Caprica

That's what's going to happen.
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Old April 14 2008, 06:49 PM   #284
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I don't see the correlation between quality and ratings. In fact, if there is one, it's probably negative for the most part. While little watched shows like The Wire get canceled, shows like According To Jim and America's Top Model go on and on. I just feel lucky that we've gotten four seasons of Battlestar Galactica. Thoughtful, intelligent television is all to rare.
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I don't see the correlation between quality and ratings. In fact, if there is one, it's probably negative for the most part. While little watched shows like The Wire get canceled, shows like According To Jim and America's Top Model go on and on. I just feel lucky that we've gotten four seasons of Battlestar Galactica. Thoughtful, intelligent television is all to rare.
Amen. The Wire was a fantastic show (possibly HBO's best show) and yet it barely got any ratings. Babylon 5, my personal favorite TV show, also got so-so ratings (although I think it ended up doing very well for TNT). Brotherhood, on Showtime, is another critically acclaimed show that gets very few viewers. BTW, if you haven't checked out that show do yourself a favor and do so.

Sure, there are plenty of great shows (LOST, The Shield, House, NCIS) that get great ratings. However, look at TOS which got low ratings. DS9 got low ratings as the show went on and most people argue that it got better as it went on.
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