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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old September 17 2009, 01:54 PM   #1
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Super-Enhanced 525 line???

Having looked at some of those stills from the bluray DVD's, shouldn't they really be marketed as 'Super-Enhanced 525 line' rather than High Def? It's a bit of a swizz!
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Old September 17 2009, 03:42 PM   #2
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Re: Super-Enhanced 525 line???

I don't get it. Which particular stills from which particular BDs are you referencing?

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Old September 17 2009, 05:59 PM   #3
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Hibby-dibby, bibble bobble blab.
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Old September 18 2009, 11:57 AM   #4
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Re: Super-Enhanced 525 line???

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/276...iew/index.html

I would have thought that the fact I posted in the movies section was a bit of a clue.

Only ST2 has come from the original film. All the rest are enhanced ordinary DVD, from the 1999 DVD transfers.

I think it's a bit of a swizz to market them as High DEF?
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Old September 18 2009, 12:35 PM   #5
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Re: Super-Enhanced 525 line???

Although Paramount's choices and techniques can be questioned, the fact is that all the films are a substantial improvement over their DVD cousins, and are clearly "High Definition" transfers. I'm not quite following you, Cheapjack. Yes, the transfers are by no means perfect -- DNR, sharpening, crushed blacks, and so on -- but they are also, by far, the best these films have ever looked on any home video format, and they clearly display unparalleled detail over any and all previous releases. Reference quality? No. Still a nice display of what HD can do? Yes.
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Old September 18 2009, 12:45 PM   #6
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Re: Super-Enhanced 525 line???

If they were taken from the film, there would be more detail, not just some computer algorithm's idea of what should be there. I don't think it's right to market them as HD, they're just enhanced ordinary DVD.

I'll still be buying them. They might never come out again, though the technology might become a hell of a lot cheaper.
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Old September 18 2009, 01:32 PM   #7
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Re: Super-Enhanced 525 line???

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If they were taken from the film, there would be more detail, not just some computer algorithm's idea of what should be there. I don't think it's right to market them as HD, they're just enhanced ordinary DVD.

I'll still be buying them. They might never come out again, though the technology might become a hell of a lot cheaper.
Buying THESE things is a way of guaranteeing that Paramount will keep dishing out crap, knowing you'll buy it despite it being crap. To me, the DNR alone is enough to keep me from buying, because they've taken the filmlook out of the thing. If this keeps up, serious viewers are going to need to start recollecting film prints of movies instead of relying on homevid.
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Old September 18 2009, 03:36 PM   #8
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If they were taken from the film, there would be more detail, not just some computer algorithm's idea of what should be there. I don't think it's right to market them as HD, they're just enhanced ordinary DVD.
What the hell are you talking about? They *are* taken from the films. They're *not* just upscaled DVD-SD transfers, as you're incorrectly stating. There is a ton more detail -- real, authentic detail -- that no computer algorithm on Earth could simulate. The Blu-ray transfers may have been taken from heavily tinkered and not completely up-to-date HD transfers, but they were indeed taken from HD transfers, not lower-resolution masters.
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Old September 18 2009, 06:16 PM   #9
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Re: Super-Enhanced 525 line???

They're taken from old transfers, yes, with the problems noted by Cryogenic above. However, the transfers have 1080 lines, p or i, not 525, so they are indeed "HD."

I agree that they are a bit disappointing. They're better than DVD, but not as good as they could be.

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Old September 18 2009, 07:19 PM   #10
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Re: Super-Enhanced 525 line???

I thought they were absolutely fantastic pictures wise, i was blown away when i saw TMP, the TV show versions were like watching the show for the first time all over again.

Of course I'm no expert on pic/sound wise but they were a vast improvement over the DVD versions.
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Old September 19 2009, 12:42 AM   #11
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I thought they were absolutely fantastic pictures wise, i was blown away when i saw TMP, the TV show versions were like watching the show for the first time all over again.

Of course I'm no expert on pic/sound wise but they were a vast improvement over the DVD versions.
Brightness and edge sharpness increases only really work when you've got texture detail also increasing ... the blu-rays have the first, but not the second, so it is like looking at the movie through a bad split diopter ... the faces and ships are soft on the 'inside' and bright and crisp on the corners, due to the noise reduction/grain reduction crap.
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Old September 19 2009, 12:24 PM   #12
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Re: Super-Enhanced 525 line???

I cant comment on the technical process but my eyes tell me the picture was a vast improvement over the DVD versions and they were sharp, colourful and fresh looking....i really enjoyed watching them.

The original series was a utter joy to watch, and again it was sharp colourful and vibrant, so much that I'm sitting here chomping at the bit for the second season to be released.

It was like watching them for the first time all over again.
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Old September 19 2009, 12:51 PM   #13
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Haggis and Tatties wrote: View Post
The original series was a utter joy to watch, and again it was sharp colourful and vibrant, so much that I'm sitting here chomping at the bit for the second season to be released.
In three days, you'll champ no more, my friend:

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Star-T...y-Review/6281/
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Old September 19 2009, 03:55 PM   #14
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Re: Super-Enhanced 525 line???

Star Trek 1 & 2 were given 4 stars, for video quality, by Hidefdigest----moviies that are 30 & 27 years old----
3, 5 & 6 got 3 stars

These are numbers higher than many, many brand new releases of movies that were in the theater in the past few years to the present.

And some numbskull wants to call them '525 line upscales'

It's like wearing a sign that says, "I'm an ass."


They have NEVER looked better in ANY video format.

Did they go the extra mile and spend the extra money to make them as perfect as they possibly could? No, very few studios do ALL they could for catalog titles----especially ones that have been sold and sold and resold over many years and many formats and they know some folks aren't goning to buy them again even if the quality is a little higher.

Lastly, the reason for the 'not perfect' ratings was 'digital noise reduction' that is only really noticed on larger, very high quality HDTVs and most of the folks I know don't have $4000 50+ inch displays.

But the cleaness of the prints, the color correction, the sharpness were all great. Never looked better and more real.
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Old September 20 2009, 02:25 PM   #15
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Re: Super-Enhanced 525 line???

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The original series was a utter joy to watch, and again it was sharp colourful and vibrant, so much that I'm sitting here chomping at the bit for the second season to be released.
In three days, you'll champ no more, my friend:

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Star-T...y-Review/6281/
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