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Old January 24 2009, 09:33 PM   #1291
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I think the Adama comparisons would weaken Reyes as a character in his own right.
And I absolutely agree with you. But I think it's a damn near inevitable comparison. I can "see" and "hear" Elias Vaughn without thinking of Sean Connery as Marko Ramius, even though that's who the character was modeled on. But I cannot hear anything other than Olmos' voice in my head when I read Reyes, and the character's description is dead on. While his character is no really anything like Adama, the looks and speech pattern are inescapably Olmos.
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Old January 24 2009, 09:48 PM   #1292
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See, even though I think of Olmos as playing Reyes, so to speak, I don't think of Reyes as really being any more like Adama than I think of Shran as being like Weyoun. (Or, for that matter, any more than I consider Forrest Gump to be like Captain Miller from Saving Private Ryan.)
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Old January 24 2009, 10:07 PM   #1293
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I tried to imagine Olmos as Reyes and I couldn't. So I gave up, and decided to just imagine him based on the text, without feeling the need to hyopthetically cast every single character in every single story.
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Old January 24 2009, 10:13 PM   #1294
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Mostly, I do that, too, Steve. I rarely, if ever, "cast" a character as I read them. Despite the prevailing views, I absolutely cannot imagine Sean Connery or Burt Reynolds as Elias Vaughn, they're both antithetical to the voice I hear in my mind, and only bear a slight resemblance in build and beard. Same for Calhoun - no actor captures my imagination's view of the character.

Reyes is one of the few times that from the very first page, the image of an actor popped into my mind, and I haven't been able to shake it.

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Old January 24 2009, 10:25 PM   #1295
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I tried to imagine Olmos as Reyes and I couldn't. So I gave up, and decided to just imagine him based on the text, without feeling the need to hyopthetically cast every single character in every single story.
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Old January 24 2009, 10:37 PM   #1296
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I tried to imagine Olmos as Reyes and I couldn't. So I gave up, and decided to just imagine him based on the text, without feeling the need to hyopthetically cast every single character in every single story.
I rarely do that, as a reader or as a writer. I'll come up with actor templates for these threads for grits 'n' shins, but most of the time, the only occasions when I hear an actor's voice for a character, it's one where the character has been played by an actor.

There are occasional exceptions, of course. I always hear Harry Morgan for David Gold, Keith Hamilton Cobb for Lokor, and Arlo Guthrie for Sonek Pran.
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Old January 24 2009, 10:41 PM   #1297
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I remember a whole big discussion with Marco about the fact that Captain Kalena Hoku of the Mjolnir was an Aryan blonde instead of Hawai'ian.
Well, of course, there's Leila Kalomi, who was conceived as a Polynesian love interest for Sulu, but then ended up becoming a love interest for Spock and getting portrayed by the blonde Jill Ireland, and yet without her name being changed.
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Old January 24 2009, 10:54 PM   #1298
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...Arlo Guthrie for Sonek Pran.
This guy?
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Old January 24 2009, 10:57 PM   #1299
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...Arlo Guthrie for Sonek Pran.
This guy?
Yup.




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Old January 24 2009, 10:58 PM   #1300
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Cool. I've actually never heard of him before.
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Old January 24 2009, 11:00 PM   #1301
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^ One of the great folk singers of our time. Also one of the funniest. And one of my personal heroes.
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Old January 24 2009, 11:02 PM   #1302
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I'm just trying to get over the fact that he actually did an 18 minuet song.
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Old January 24 2009, 11:04 PM   #1303
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He put 18 minuets into one song?

Seriously, though... I really shouldn't be surprised that someone today hasn't heard of Arlo or Woody Guthrie... Jeez, in twenty years, people might not know who Bob Dylan is...
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Old January 24 2009, 11:05 PM   #1304
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The actual song isn't 18 minutes. In fact, it isn't even a song, it's just a single refrain. But the rest of the time is taken up with the story of how he was arrested for littering in 1965 and later that year was drafted, and how the former experience had an effect on the latter. It's hilarious (all the more so for the fact that it's true), and one of the great touchstones of the 1960s counterculture movement.
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Old January 24 2009, 11:06 PM   #1305
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I tried to imagine Olmos as Reyes and I couldn't. So I gave up, and decided to just imagine him based on the text, without feeling the need to hyopthetically cast every single character in every single story.
I rarely do that, as a reader or as a writer. I'll come up with actor templates for these threads for grits 'n' shins, but most of the time, the only occasions when I hear an actor's voice for a character, it's one where the character has been played by an actor.
For me it's almost a 50/50 mixture. There are some novel characters that I can't help but see certain actors as -- Edward James Olmost as Reyes, Ewan McGregor as Tim Pennington, Vincent Kartheiser as Shar, Sean Maher as Vedek Yevir, Kurtwood Smith as Kant Jorel, Stanley Adams as Cervantes Quinn, Bruce McGill as Koll Azernal, Peter MacNicol as Min Zife, John F. Kennedy as Kenneth Wescott.

On the other hand, there are some characters where I just can't quite find an actor who completely embodies how I view the character, even if I find people with similar energies or close approximations. No one quite matches my views of T'Prynn, Lurqal, Jetanien, Elias Vaughn, Rana Desai, Safranski, Jas Abrik, Miranda Kadohata, or Jasminder Choudhury.

To me the most vivid example of this is actually Nan Bacco. I have an incredibly vivid, specific view of Bacco, down to a sense of certain physical tics that aren't even described in the texts, but there's no actor I'm aware of who fully embodies my view of the character. Actually, the closest I can even think of to my view of Bacco is my 11th grade English teacher!
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