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Old August 16 2009, 05:19 PM   #811
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Re: USS Grandeur - One... More... Time!

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It IS pretty "cluttered" in terms of big, bold, structurally-pointless curvy- blobby shapes, particularly in the dorsal and nacelle areas. The dorsal area is just STUPIDLY constructed, frankly... a smooth shape, rather than the "tiered" construction, would be orders of magnitude stronger, no matter what magic-construction-materials you use. The engine pylons are covered with "graphic art geometry" as are the nacelles... the ship is just covered with stuff there just for "visual interest" (as it's usually described) without it seeming to serve any functional purpose.
No, Star War's Stardestroyer is 'cluttered'.
What you see here as clutter is actually surface detail.

As for the surface details on the pylons... don't they look very much like those on the Refit's pylons? And I've never heard anyone refer to those as 'clutter'.
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Old August 16 2009, 08:09 PM   #812
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Re: USS Grandeur - One... More... Time!

Guys, you're starting to get off topic here, this thread is for discussion about and display of Vektor's model of the U.S.S. Grandeur, not to kvetch about the new Enterprise. Everyone has different design preferences, I understand this, but unless they're related to the Grandeur, there are other places to discuss them.
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Old August 16 2009, 09:51 PM   #813
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The new ship isn't designed as a functional, 3D mechanism, it's designed as a piece of 2D graphic art, with all the trademark foibles that go along with that... and that includes the "big bold curvy-shape high-lights for visual interest" one.
I don't want to see a movie with a boringly functional space ship, if we went for pure function over visually interesting, we woudn't be drooling over Vectors work here !!
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Old August 16 2009, 10:46 PM   #814
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The new ship isn't designed as a functional, 3D mechanism, it's designed as a piece of 2D graphic art, with all the trademark foibles that go along with that... and that includes the "big bold curvy-shape high-lights for visual interest" one.
I don't want to see a movie with a boringly functional space ship, if we went for pure function over visually interesting, we woudn't be drooling over Vectors work here !!
Actually, that's why so many people like his work so much... though it's done with a clear eye to "style," it's also done with a clear eye to practicality (or rather, "fictional practicality" I 'spose).

Virtually every detail added is there or a reason. All of them are FICTIONAL reasons, but they're still reasons nevertheless. His work looks like a machine... but a well-designed, artistically-styled machine.

Seeing that... a proper fusion of "style" and "substance"... is what I, and lots of other folks, like. I just don't get that from the ST'09 design. I see lots of style for its own sake, but very little real thought behind it.

Vektor's 1701, by contrast, has both. As does his Grandeur.
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Old August 16 2009, 11:32 PM   #815
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The new ship isn't designed as a functional, 3D mechanism, it's designed as a piece of 2D graphic art, with all the trademark foibles that go along with that... and that includes the "big bold curvy-shape high-lights for visual interest" one.
I don't want to see a movie with a boringly functional space ship, if we went for pure function over visually interesting, we woudn't be drooling over Vectors work here !!
Actually, that's why so many people like his work so much... though it's done with a clear eye to "style," it's also done with a clear eye to practicality (or rather, "fictional practicality" I 'spose).

Virtually every detail added is there or a reason. All of them are FICTIONAL reasons, but they're still reasons nevertheless. His work looks like a machine... but a well-designed, artistically-styled machine.

Seeing that... a proper fusion of "style" and "substance"... is what I, and lots of other folks, like. I just don't get that from the ST'09 design. I see lots of style for its own sake, but very little real thought behind it.

Vektor's 1701, by contrast, has both. As does his Grandeur.
Yup.... I agree.
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Old August 16 2009, 11:33 PM   #816
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Re: USS Grandeur - One... More... Time!

Nightfall to-Ennien wrote: View Post
Guys, you're starting to get off topic here, this thread is for discussion about and display of Vektor's model of the U.S.S. Grandeur, not to kvetch about the new Enterprise. Everyone has different design preferences, I understand this, but unless they're related to the Grandeur, there are other places to discuss them.
...aaaaand, it goes over like a lead balloon.
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Old August 17 2009, 01:32 AM   #817
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Re: USS Grandeur - One... More... Time!

Gep Malakai wrote: View Post
Nightfall to-Ennien wrote: View Post
Guys, you're starting to get off topic here, this thread is for discussion about and display of Vektor's model of the U.S.S. Grandeur, not to kvetch about the new Enterprise. Everyone has different design preferences, I understand this, but unless they're related to the Grandeur, there are other places to discuss them.
...aaaaand, it goes over like a lead balloon.
It floats?
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Old August 17 2009, 01:38 AM   #818
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Don't you bring evidence into this.
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Old August 17 2009, 07:08 PM   #819
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I have to agree with earlier posts, those guns in the front of the saucer section seem clumsy. They look a bit like buck teeth. Maybe if you made them more flush with the saucer's edge?
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Old August 30 2009, 06:10 PM   #820
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I come here looking for the secrets of Grandeur, and what do I find? Kvetching!

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Old November 2 2009, 02:16 AM   #821
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Hey Vektor - she's looking gorgeous!! Any more progress?
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Old November 2 2009, 01:54 PM   #822
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gawd, must we dig this out of the darl hole it crawled in? I get faint of the heart everytime i see it listed and its only someone asking for an update.

VEKTOR, we need you!
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Old November 2 2009, 05:18 PM   #823
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Sorry, gang, I've been technologically impaired for the last few weeks as my main 3D modeling computer has been down with a very nasty virus infection. About two weeks ago, I finally gave up trying to remove it and decided to reinstall the whole rig, but then I figured it was as good a time as any for my long-planned hardware and OS upgrade. I got the parts last Friday and completed the rebuild just last night. I'm now running an i7 920 Quad Core with 6GB of RAM and Windows 7 Pro 64. Unfortunately, I haven't had a chance to reinstall 3ds Max yet and I'm going to be so busy with work this week that I probably won't be able to do anything with it for several more days.

I know I'm long overdue for a Grandeur update and I will do my best to get something posted in the near future.
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Old November 2 2009, 05:32 PM   #824
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Sorry, gang, I've been technologically impaired for the last few weeks as my main 3D modeling computer has been down with a very nasty virus infection. About two weeks ago, I finally gave up trying to remove it and decided to reinstall the whole rig, but then I figured it was as good a time as any for my long-planned hardware and OS upgrade. I got the parts last Friday and completed the rebuild just last night. I'm now running an i7 920 Quad Core with 6GB of RAM and Windows 7 Pro 64. Unfortunately, I haven't had a chance to reinstall 3ds Max yet and I'm going to be so busy with work this week that I probably won't be able to do anything with it for several more days.

I know I'm long overdue for a Grandeur update and I will do my best to get something posted in the near future.
I'll be very interested to hear your experiences with Win7 running this versus, I'm assuming, XP 64? I chose to stick with XP 64 for the time being, and so far it's working out very nicely for me. Most of the benchmarks I've seen indicate that XP64 is far faster than Win764, which is in turn far faster than Vista64. But I do tend to trust anecdotal evidence from real users more than I trust synthetic benchmarks...
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Old November 2 2009, 08:48 PM   #825
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Yeah, I'll definitely want to hear your experiences as well. I'm in the same setup as Cary... everything runs WinXP 64.
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