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Old July 23 2008, 11:42 PM   #1096
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Quite major spoiler for S4.5 (and one I like very much):
(from this interview http://www.fhmonline.com/girls_girls_of_fh...amp;idx_id=6350 )

Grace Park: "You’re going to get to see a wrapping up of all the events that have occurred and you’ll find out who survives, who dies, and who the final Cylon is. There’s another interaction between my two characters, Boomer and Athena, and there’s a lot of history we finally clear up with them"
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Old July 24 2008, 05:02 AM   #1097
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Quite major spoiler for S4.5 (and one I like very much):
(from this interview http://www.fhmonline.com/girls_girls_of_fh...amp;idx_id=6350 )

Grace Park: "You’re going to get to see a wrapping up of all the events that have occurred and you’ll find out who survives, who dies, and who the final Cylon is. There’s another interaction between my two characters, Boomer and Athena, and there’s a lot of history we finally clear up with them"
Yeah, poor Boomer has sure gotten the short end over the years. Betrayed by her programming, abandoned and murdered by the Colonials, almost boxed by D'Anna, villified on NC by the woman who took her lover, killed by her only equal (Caprica) on the Basestar, isolated from her sisters in the Cylon civil war, not to mention being replaced by Athena on Galactica.

That is a lot of baggage.

Granted she's made some bad choices too, but I'd like to see Boomer get some solace, somewhere. Even if it's from Athena herself.
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Old July 24 2008, 03:59 PM   #1098
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Now thats going to be somthing to watch.
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Old July 24 2008, 10:04 PM   #1099
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Yeah, poor Boomer has sure gotten the short end over the years. Betrayed by her programming, abandoned and murdered by the Colonials, almost boxed by D'Anna, villified on NC by the woman who took her lover, killed by her only equal (Caprica) on the Basestar, isolated from her sisters in the Cylon civil war, not to mention being replaced by Athena on Galactica.

That is a lot of baggage.

Granted she's made some bad choices too, but I'd like to see Boomer get some solace, somewhere. Even if it's from Athena herself.
Seconded.

What is also very interesting is how Athena and Boomer will meet (and apparently in such a way that they can and will talk). This fact alone is heartwarming for fans of Boomer, as it wasn't at all clear she would have the opportunity to talk with colonials or rebel Cylons again, given what side she ended up with and there being war and all. I wonder just in what circumstances this meeting will take place. Will they meet up by coincidence (does Boomer, and perhaps the other loyal Cylons, discover Earth or so?), or does one seek out the other on purpose?

Boomer probably has deep issues with Athena (using her memories and all, having her basically thrown off Galactica), and OTOH Athena will remember those threats to Hera very well. I don't think the meeting will start very friendly, and how it will end is anyone's guess. Better than last time they met, I hope!
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Old July 27 2008, 01:20 PM   #1100
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There are again spoilers filtering through, mostly from comic-con reports:
-From this ( http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2309568 ) scifi thread: Zarek reportedly will die in S4.5 "taking lots of them with him", or sort-of...
He is apparently "a guy with the right motivation who has no choice in the end". This is especially intriguing in combination with the next tidbit:

-On this page ( http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?sh...=2311800&st=80 ) people are discussing some things said or shown during the con, and apparently it seems like Zarek may be leading a revolt against Adama and the rebel Cylons (this may be erroneous interpretation for all I know though, caution). A kind of teaser was shown with some new material in it, and among other things, Geata was seen confronting Zarek (apparently "president Zarek"), Bill Adama was "about to be executed" and a bunch of (apparently rebel) Cylons were in the brig also expecting to be executed.


-also in this clip, "there seems to be some sort of large ground battle at some point. Tricia was saying how she got to use some new type of machinegun and James Callis was saying that one one night of shooting it reminded him of Apocolyse Now " (reported by someone in the same thread, one page further)
this is very interesting, a major space battle was always expected but may it be we only get a major ground battle instead? Or both, at different times or at the same time?

-In an e!online interview with Jamie Bamber, he mentioned that his last scene filmed (with the second unit) involved filming with "a bunch of extras", while shooting people. I guess this ties in with said major ground battle. In any case, interesting that the (vice-)president needs to take a gun himself at some stage
-from the same poster (maxtek 16): "Also, someone poised the question of what happens now that they found earth and from what was said I could gather that they might stay on Earth for a few episodes at least and that the first few episodes are very depressing."

-from io9: http://io9.com/5029618/exclusive-jam...cusses-caprica
"They [Caprica and BSG] were on two separate tracks," and BSG's ending has been planned out "in broad strokes" for a long time."
"Eick confirmed that nobody from Caprica would be turning up on BSG."
"[The ipcoming BSG movie] delves into "territory that the fans would be familiar with, and offers new perspective."
It's highly unlikely that Jamie Bamber will be involved in the movie.

-More from io9 ( http://io9.com/5029608/battlestar-ga...ullets-secrets ):
Eick on the decision to make Anders a Cylon: "It was like Gaeta? Anders? Gaeta? Anders? for awhile."
Tricia Helfer: "I got to shoot some guns. Finally. James and I, we started the first scene of the miniseries having sex and we finished the main shooting [of the series] with shooting."
Ron Moore: "I can tell you it's [the final Cylon] someone you've seen. It won't be a guest-star"
-Paul Campbell has confirmed we will not see Billy Keikeya again on BSG
-Starbuck "finds peace" at the end

Edit: There is more info here: http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/07/27/...tar-galactica/
-Starbuck and Apollo making out.
-Adama and Roslin making out as well
-The Final Four next to ruins.
-Apollo in a cell crying: “just kill me”
-President Roslyn asking Commander Adama if he was a Cylon, and the next clip showing the Commander in the airlock of BSG with a white cloth over his eyes, looking into the camera
-The trailer ended with showing various cast members holding guns as well as shooting them. Some battles on Earth, others on Galatica.

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Old July 28 2008, 02:35 AM   #1101
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Hmmm,

So the Cylon Civil War is followed by a Colonial Rebellion. I'm guessing now that it's been "Earth or Bust" for so long now and it's turned out to be "Bust" anyway, Zarek decides to seize power once and for all, or maybe he's pressed into it by the Quorum.

Well, we can scratch Billy off the list of possible Final Cylon suspects now and maybe Gaeta. It's not a guest star either, so that limits the field by eliminating Ellen and Romo Lampkin. That seems to narrow it down to Dualla, Boomer, Gaeta, and Cottle or a duplicate of another, regular Cylon or human character, which, speaking for myself, seems more unlikely than Boomer being the Final Cylon.

Ground battle, eh...I'll bet it's either with the insurgent Colonials or more likely the other Cylons show up to take the planet. After all, why would the humans want it? The Cylons could possibly reclaim it. My guess here is that the rebel Cylons decide to ally themselves with humanity for the sake of everybody's survival and the other Cylons aren't too happy about it. The Cylons could reclaim Earth so humanity could live on it, which sounds like that's the "higher power's" intention anyway. I'll further guess that Cavil's Cylons turn up at some point in the Colonial rebellion and the humans swiftly have to come together to fight them off, and they determine that they need the rebel Cylons in order to survive.
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Old July 28 2008, 10:36 PM   #1102
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It's possible there is a rebellion within the colonials, but cautious, the Zarek as president thing may yet be a misinterpretation. It is certain though, that both Bill and Lee Adama will be in major trouble at some point, though why exactly, is unclear. Roslin's question "are you a Cylon" hints that it may be about that, that they believe Bill (and by extensions Lee, at least for 1/2) is also a Cylon, but this may be a red herring as the question and the execution in progress are not necessarily related.

We have firefights both on the ground and on Galactica, apparently. Since the fleet will likely leave (BSG) Earth pretty soon (Eick said the living conditions would be appalling and the fleet would want to leave soon), the big ground fight may be over "New Earth", as the Patriot Resource is speculating. I expect Cavil and co to show up, there.

Edit: some more interesting things here: http://tv.ign.com/articles/894/894082p1.html
From the way it's described, Roslin's question may indeed be unrelated to the apparent execution. For all we know, the Cylons are going to execute him (or pretend to, or attempt to). Or Zarek does, possibly for some other reason.

Also, D'Anna will have a talk with the hybrid. Next episode likely is her last, so must be from there.

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Old July 28 2008, 11:55 PM   #1103
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Lee may well be in trouble for giving amnesty to the rebel cylons. It fits. Coupled with the foul mood everyone will be in for having their hopes crushed about Earth, it's plausible that there would be backlash. They irradiated our worlds, forced us into space to survive, there is no inhabitable Earth, and you're giving them amnesty, Adama? Are you frakking kidding? I can imagine that factions amongst the colonials would resent Lee making that decision and, by extension, being angry at Bill for backing him up. If Earth had been lush and green and had people to welcome then, forgiveness (or at least tolerance) would have been easier to come by. Zarek exploiting such a situation is also extremely plausible.
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Old July 29 2008, 01:44 AM   #1104
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Indeed, especially because both Adamas have roughly shoved Zarek aside: Bill by utterly refusing to work with him, and Lee by basically naming himself (with his buddy Romo) over Zarek's rightful claim. And this after Zarek had helped Lee into the quorum. Guess there might be some revenge feelings, here
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Old July 29 2008, 02:28 AM   #1105
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Another possibility is that the Quorum, paranoid and insecure bunch they have proven to be starts wondering if Lee or Bill is the final Cylon after all, and that one or both of them has led them there to go to their doom.

Also, Zarek may actually do what he does to try and give them a stable leader, somebody who can speak the voice of reason, knowing that if things are allowed to continue, disappointment will turn to panic, panic to anarchy, and anarchy will be the end of the human race. That could explain why he has the right motivation but no choice in the end.

D'anna speaking to the hybrid indicates that, yet again, the hybrids know more than they let on. Does the Final Cylon or God speak through them after all? Does D'anna think that the hybrid is the Final Cylon? That'd be a totally unexpected twist. We know it sees into the space between life and death, and that's where the Five seem to exist. So, it stands to reason it knows who the final Cylon is. Maybe D'anna will admit that she only saw 4 faces and lied about seeing the Fifth, so she goes to the hybrid to learn who the last one is. I've got this feeling that D'anna will meet her end when the Final Cylon is revealed - either it will kill her to protect its identity, or she will be killed accidentally, perhaps in the exchange of gunfire we're hearing about.
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Old July 29 2008, 03:20 AM   #1106
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They never said the ground battle would be on Earth, could be on a different planet, the Cylon Home World!

The ground battle can't be on Earth, and it can't be with the other Cylons. If it were the other Cylons they would have just nuked the planet some more and killed everyone.....

Which I hope is what happens....
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Old July 29 2008, 01:56 PM   #1107
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There can be lots of ground battles on lots of different places (we already know there is fighting on both Galactica and on a planet's surface; probably not on the Earth seen in "Revelations" though.

The Cylons would not necessarily just nuke a planet if the colonists landed on it; they might want it themselves, intact. There is a theory that remnants from the 13th tribe (according to "ask Ausiello", the name of that tribe was ... Cylon) may have fled to another planet, call it "New Earth". Both the colonials and Cavil and co could run into this possible planet.
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Old August 4 2008, 08:04 PM   #1108
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A kind soul at the Battlestar blog livejournal has posted an intriguing video about some of the cast and crew of BSG celebrating after filming their final scenes for the series: http://community.livejournal.com/bat...g/1208951.html
(there is a Sendspace link on that page, getting to download it may take some patience).

Someone has also put up a few screencaptures from the video:
-non-spoilery http://pics.livejournal.com/wisteria_/gallery/0007shr4
-spoilery http://pics.livejournal.com/wisteria_/gallery/0007t22d

There is a little footage of what are apparently scenes from the finale (a few times we see scenes being wrapped, the very last filming).
Some things seem to stand out:
-Gaeta, Zarek, Dualla and Tory are not seen in the footage, nor are their actors filmed on set or otherwise shown (it's of course possible they had wrapped their scenes earlier)
-A few unexpected faces: Cally is back, in her "specialist" uniform even. She is shown quite a bit in the video, actually. Could be a flashback I suppose (if she is the final Cylon, I guess she just wouldn't go back to the hangar deck?). So is Ellen, and she seems to have a scene in what appears to be a stripclub - with Tigh and Adama in it! Probably also a flashback. Lastly, we have the actress who plays Kat on the set - though no actual scenes are shown.
-The scene where Grace Park (very probably as Athena) and Tahmoh Penikett wrap is a bloody affair: Athena has a bloody hand, likely caused by Helo lying on the ground in blood. This scene plays on Galactica, and Helo has clearly been shot in what appears to be quite a major gunbattle (lots of heavily armed people in the video), so the finale seems to include fighting on Galactica itself. It looks like Helo is either gravely wounded or dead.
-Both Head Six and Head Baltar seem to make an appearance
-A Doral is shown, with a bloody face, aiming a gun aboard Galactica. Dean Stockwell (Cavil) is also shown a couple of times in the video, not sure if those are new scenes
-There may have been a time jump, as there seems to be an older actress for Hera and Bamber's hairstyle seems to have changed dramatically
-it also shows the scene with Roslin going in the water near the fountain (pictures of this had leaked before). Roslin is also shown in a Raptor.
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Old August 4 2008, 08:11 PM   #1109
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Cally could be HEAD! Cally. I'm betting Ellen is a flashback.
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