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Old July 19 2014, 09:10 PM   #1366
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Re: Welcome new Voyager fans!

Love the show. My daughter loves it too.

It really annoys me the dislike directed at it from fans of other trek. I think sexism might be playing a role....?
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Old July 19 2014, 10:32 PM   #1367
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Love the show. My daughter loves it too.

It really annoys me the dislike directed at it from fans of other trek. I think sexism might be playing a role....?
I very much agree with this. I have been educating myself about Star Trek and was surprised to learn of the hatred towards Voyager, and Janeway herself. It's sad that in this day and age (or I guess the 90's) that women were/are still seen as less than.
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Old July 19 2014, 11:30 PM   #1368
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You'll get smacked for saying it, but yes I think there's a kneejerk dislike of Janeway as the strong "bossy" captain. She is frequently criticized for decisions that no one would blink if Kirk made.
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Old July 20 2014, 12:57 AM   #1369
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But Janeway is an great captain. She might even be my favorite. She is strong and compassionate at the same time. If there's a way she can convert an adversary into an ally, she'll take the risk to do it. The greatest example is perhaps Seven, who is another great character imho.

But if Janeway's ship truly has an enemy, she'll do what it takes to get the job done, in spite of the costs and opposition. A powerful example here is the two-part episode Scorpion.

Anyway, I think she's great. Wonderful performance by Kate Mulgrew throughout.

My family just watched Parallax last night. We really like that one. B'Elanna Torres is another favorite character for us.
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Old July 20 2014, 02:19 AM   #1370
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I also like that she acts as a mother figure to the crew and gives them advice on personal issues. It gives her character more depth than just being the captain.
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Old July 20 2014, 02:17 PM   #1371
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Yes well, "Janeway made me gay" is a thing!

Well, since I am a man, "Janeway made me gay" wouldn't be very flattering for her, now, would it?

Fortunately, I am straight and Janeway definitely didn't change that.
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Old July 20 2014, 10:18 PM   #1372
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What are your top 10 favorite episodes of Voyager? Two-parters can count as one.

Here's my try at a list:

1. Scorpion I & II
2. Endgame
3. Future's End I & II
4. Hope and Fear
5. Real Life
6. Tuvix
7. Year of Hell I & II
8. Equinox I & II
9. The Killing Game I & II
10. Living Witness

Anyone else have a top 10 list? I'm probably missing some of my own favorites....
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Old July 21 2014, 08:17 PM   #1373
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Re: Welcome new Voyager fans!

Here are 10 episodes that I really enjoyed. I can't call them my Top Ten because I haven't seen all the episodes yet - for example I have the remainder of season 6 (I'm up to episode 3 or 4) and 7 to see yet, plus, I've missed quite a few earlier episodes, too.

Unforgettable (despite some plot/logic issues I love this episode. It's the only one I watched twice back to back)
Timeless (despite the fact that Chakotay, his girl and the Doctor all anted up big time, only Harry seems to get the credit)
Bliss
Night
Scientific Method
Someone to Watch over Me
Think Tank
Coda
Year of Hell I & 2 (Tuvok and Seven alone make this for me)
Living Witness

Other episodes I really enjoyed: Course: Oblivion, Macrocosm, Future's End, Darkling, The Chute, and Basics (despite only having seen the second half of episode 2!), Nemesis and Survival Instinct.

In some ways it's a bit daunting posting "favourite" episodes: does anyone else rate them? Are they consensus episodes? Will I look freakishly out of step with the episodes everyone likes! I should be old enough to no longer care, and mostly I don't, but a little bit of me still does! LOL!
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Old July 22 2014, 01:29 PM   #1374
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WillsBabe:

I think that's a great list! Although actually I've forgotten a few of the title listings and need to look them up or watch them again.

Anyway, thanks for posting. Hope some more Voyager fans will join us.
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Old July 22 2014, 03:50 PM   #1375
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1. Someone to Watch Over Me
2. Future's End I & II
3. Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy
4. Drone
5. Scorpion I & II
6. Dark Frontier I & II
7. Year of Hell I & II
8. Message in a Bottle
9. Imperfection
10. Living Witness

Um.... more faves:
Body and Soul
Riddles
Equinox
Bride of Chaotica!
Child's Play
Counterpoint
Timeless
The Killing Game
Lifesigns
Life Line
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Old July 22 2014, 05:11 PM   #1376
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Captain Kathryn wrote: View Post
1. Someone to Watch Over Me
2. Future's End I & II
3. Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy
4. Drone
5. Scorpion I & II
6. Dark Frontier I & II
7. Year of Hell I & II
8. Message in a Bottle
9. Imperfection
10. Living Witness

Um.... more faves:
Body and Soul
Riddles
Equinox
Bride of Chaotica!
Child's Play
Counterpoint
Timeless
The Killing Game
Lifesigns
Life Line
Another great list!++ Makes me want to re-watch these favorites. How I wish Voyager was coming out on blu-ray too....
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Old July 22 2014, 06:34 PM   #1377
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I don't have Blue Ray player, but I'll buy a player when they release Voyager haha.
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Old July 24 2014, 02:49 AM   #1378
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I finished the second season today! I really liked Twisted, Persistence of Vision, Resistance, The Thaw, Innocence, Lifesigns, Death Wish, and Basics Part 1.
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Old July 24 2014, 07:49 PM   #1379
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Captain Kathryn wrote: View Post
1. Someone to Watch Over Me
2. Future's End I & II
3. Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy
4. Drone
5. Scorpion I & II
6. Dark Frontier I & II
7. Year of Hell I & II
8. Message in a Bottle
9. Imperfection
10. Living Witness

Um.... more faves:
Body and Soul
Riddles
Equinox
Bride of Chaotica!
Child's Play
Counterpoint
Timeless
The Killing Game
Lifesigns
Life Line
I wonder if Zimmermann died sometime after this one. I noticed that Barclay talks about him in the past in Author author, plus it's kinda strange that Zimmermann wouldn't help the EMH in person (or through video conference for that matter) after the latter saved his life.
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Old July 29 2014, 10:55 PM   #1380
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Just started season 3! Technically I only have to watch 9 episodes because the rest I watched as reruns but there were so many great episodes! Sacred Ground, Future's End 1/2, The Q And The Grey, Macrocosm, Coda, Real Life. I will happily watch them again.
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