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Old August 28 2014, 04:12 AM   #61
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Except it was "aural sensitivity."
Is that right? Meaning, have I been that wrong all this time?

I'd love to be wrong about this, but it sure struck me as an ick scene.
Yes (e.g.). But think about it. If you're a linguist, what needs to be especially keen at sensing things more than the other, your ears or your mouth? I don't believe that precise articulation and exceptional enunciation are best described by "sensitivity."
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Old August 28 2014, 04:13 AM   #62
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"Oral sensitivity" makes no sense contextually. So, you have a sensitive mouth... how does that relate to your work?
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Old August 28 2014, 04:33 AM   #63
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"Oral sensitivity" makes no sense contextually. So, you have a sensitive mouth... how does that relate to your work?
I thought the innocent half of its double meaning was that she did a good job of speaking alien words.

The next time, I will try to watch that scene with fresh eyes and see if I can see it the clean way. But who uses the word aural without knowing that it sounds like oral? And regardless, I'm never going to like the JJ-Trek Spock/Uhura deal.
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Old August 28 2014, 08:32 AM   #64
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I think it is an intended double entendre that actually becomes a triple entendre!

That is, Saldana was told to muddle the pronunciation of "aural" (her first vowel is very short there) for the amusing sexual connotations, or at least the writer assumed that the audience would hear it that way - but since hearing it "wrong" is a case of poor aural sensitivity, the pun goes around full circle...

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Old August 28 2014, 08:45 AM   #65
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There's really no direct synonym for "aural", and English is full of homophones, so why pick on this one?
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Old August 28 2014, 10:34 AM   #66
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"Pick"? I'm about 87% sure the innuendo was deliberate, is all. Otherwise why use the nonsense term "aural sensitivity" at all?

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Old August 28 2014, 11:18 AM   #67
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"Pick"? I'm about 87% sure the innuendo was deliberate, is all. Otherwise why use the nonsense term "aural sensitivity" at all?
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There's really no direct synonym for "aural", and English is full of homophones, so why pick on this one?
I agree with Timo, only more so.

And a good, no-sex-joke synonym would be auditory.
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Old August 28 2014, 12:47 PM   #68
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Is Spock in his right mind when he says no outworlder may know of it? It might be causing him to overstate b/c he is in its throes. I still don't have a problem with him being intrigued or interested in an interesting being. We know he subconsciously (or even consciously and suppressed) found Leyla Kalomi (sp?) attractive.
Good point! Maybe the mating cycle is not a secret, only the crazyness it can drive them to if they try to ignore it. After all, I doubt this is a problem for Vulcans living on Vulcan, only ones far away on assignment. Maybe the Vulcans wanted to reserve that knowlege as it could be used against them for recieving those kind of assignments. (for their own good, don't cha know , no prejudice and all that.)

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Or perhaps the Intrepid had equal measures of male and female crew. Thus they could take care of pon farr "in house," as it were. This would especially help if the 430 crewmembers comprised 215 couples who were already bonded (which is unlikely, but possible).
That's very logical, so it may be so. Or at least some what so, with maybe 100 to 200 mated pairs and other specialists that are not otherwise mated.

Actually, there really is not big deal about the cycle itself, it was Mr. Spock's trying to ignore it that caused the problem. All Vulcan doesn't go crazy every seven years. And I doubt the offical story is that a Selat brings the Vulcan baby in it's mouth from the "place where babies come from" so they must know the basics. I could certainly sympathize with the idea of hiding the fact that if you don't get home for a hook up you can start smashing up the place. Just take your leave at the right time and no one really needs to bother.
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Old August 28 2014, 03:33 PM   #69
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On a Vulcan ship, if commanded/staffed at the outset by Vulcans, just assess your crew for where they are in their cycle before you leave. Staff accordingly based on length of mission.
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I like how Kirk said he had been here once before but didn't have time to look around. It gave the feeling the the UFP is a huge country and they were looking at some feat of engineering like a tall building in Malaysia or something.

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- I just noticed that after Kirk, Plasus, and Vanna beam up to the transporter room toward the end of the episode, Vanna mysteriously falls to the floor unconscious shortly after beaming! If she was just in the way in the transporter platform shot, surely the director could have found a way to leave her on the planet instead.
She appeared faint as soon as the scene on the transporter pad started. She did says she was feeling the effects of low oxygen in the cave. I thought maybe she was faint to begin with, and Kirk knocked her out as she tried to break up the gas-induced fight. That makes the Enterprise crew pretty insensitive for not going to help her.

How much time happened in this episode? We know she was arrested for trying to take Kirk hostage. They they tied her up in a sexy outfit she was arrested in and tortured her. Later they took the outfit she had been wearing and gave her a skimpier outfit and locked her up. How long was she there? The leader approves of abusive treatment, so I suspect the guards sometimes abuse prisoners with impunity. That's probably one of the perks of a cave dweller becoming a sentinel. On that vein, maybe one of the guards got her pregnant and her faintness was the first sign of it.

I don't think enough time passed for that though.

This episode doesn't seem to know how brutal the cloud dwellers are. They're supposed to be effete and decadent, but then they have a torture scene, which seems inconsistent with their scholarly ways. Are we supposed to imagine that all kind of brutality lies just under the surface, or are they very clean and orderly in their application of brutality? I honestly suspect the writers just wanted to add some kinkiness, but they could only take it so far.
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Old August 30 2014, 08:35 PM   #71
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- Speaking of Corey, I've not seen him in anything else, but yikes, that performance... And wasn't he an acting instructor?
He played Tom Chaney in the original "True Grit" movie starring along side of Kim Darby ("Miri"), Glen Campbell, Robert Duval, Dennis Hopper and of course the great John Wayne in perhaps his best role. If you have not seen the movie I highly recommend seeing it.
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Old August 31 2014, 03:13 PM   #72
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He was also the spokesman for The Shadows in the Babylon 5 season 3 finale episode Za'Ha Dum.
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