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Old August 20 2014, 10:45 AM   #31
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An interesting detail worthy to mention I think is this four-legged structure in the background.
That's called a horse.
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Old August 20 2014, 11:09 AM   #32
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An interesting detail worthy to mention I think is this four-legged structure in the background.
That's called a horse.
Apparently the ability to ride a horse is a requirement for the captain's chair aboard the Starship Enterprise.

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Old August 20 2014, 11:45 AM   #33
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This is one of the few instances where the new digital FX in the remastered versions actually improved on the original, IMHO. The new version blends the background city and the live-action set so they actually look like part of the same landscape.


Another great piece of CGI is in the teaser of "The Menagerie" Part I, when Captain Pike's wheelchair is in front of the hospital window. The camera whirls around and, instead of a simple diorama apparently made of back-lit flats, a full cityscape is out there, in full motion with the camera.

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Old August 20 2014, 12:43 PM   #34
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The (incorrect) night time windows in the original episode were basically a reuse from the previous "Court Martial" episode, apparently for budget and/or credibility reasons (no way they could have created a credible daylight window simulation)

Thus the new CGI windows in "The Menagerie" are an improvement, they now correspond to the daytime matte painting seen in the beginning and after the opening credits and feature an accurate perspective.

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Old August 20 2014, 02:47 PM   #35
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I'm still wondering what the other four lights on Captain Pike's wheelchair were for.
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Old August 20 2014, 03:03 PM   #36
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I'm still wondering what the other four lights on Captain Pike's wheelchair were for.
If you mean the round silver things, they aren't lights, they're metal knobs. Presumably they're controls of some sort, or maybe locking knobs for the front plate.
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Old August 20 2014, 03:53 PM   #37
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I'm still wondering what the other four lights on Captain Pike's wheelchair were for.
In case he gets kidnapped by Cardassians?
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Old August 20 2014, 04:39 PM   #38
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I find the Mojave background an interesting case.

The two approaches suggest very different things. Yes, the digital effect "blends" much more smoothly with the live action elements. There's no denying that. But the painted backdrop also works...by implying a very different landscape.

The digital update suggests there is open land that recedes into the distance until we reach the buildings that rest upon the surface. The backdrop, on the other hand, suggests the open land recedes to a point...where it simply "drops", possibly into a canyon. From the depths of that canyon the buildings rise into view, implying they are even taller than the parts we see. The blueish, hazy "grain" suggests there is manufactured light radiating from the canyon depths, bright enough to outglow the moderately clear day Pike and Vina are experiencing.

Both are valid, but each implies a very different topography.

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Old August 20 2014, 08:38 PM   #39
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You're correct. The lighting does seem to be from below on the Mohave city art.
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Old August 20 2014, 08:51 PM   #40
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Someone actually agreed with my "logic"? Even I think I'm often stuffed chock full of "wild blueberry muffins" (to paraphrase the great line from "The Thing From Another World").

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Old August 20 2014, 09:22 PM   #41
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I simply said you're correct about the direction from which the lighting appears to emanate. Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.
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Old August 20 2014, 09:26 PM   #42
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Aye, I set up myself for that "come back".

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Old August 21 2014, 04:24 AM   #43
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Are "nurnies" the same thing as "greeblies"?
nurnies=greeblies=greebles

All the same thing.
..
Okay, so I wonder where the term "nurnies" comes from, as everyone I've ever heard that is actually attached to industry (like ILM staffers and so on) have always used to word "Greeblies" as far as I'm aware. And yet every now and again I hear random people from the Internet say nurnies.... Where does that even come from?

And, I'm not trying to be some ass-hat troll, I really want to know.

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Old August 21 2014, 06:56 AM   #44
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Okay, so I wonder where the term "nurnies" comes from, as everyone I've ever heard that is actually attached to industry (like ILM staffers and so on) have always used to word "Greeblies" as far as I'm aware. And yet every now and again I hear random people from the Internet say nurnies.... Where does that even come from?

And, I'm not trying to be some ass-hat troll, I really want to know.

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Nurnie appears to be the CGI version of greeble, which would explain why Metryq uses it. He's done a lot of computer modeling and illustration.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greeble

"Ron Thornton is widely believed to have coined the term "nurnies" referring to CGI technical detail that his company Foundation Imaging produced for the Babylon 5 series."
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Old August 21 2014, 03:26 PM   #45
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^^^
That's fascinating! Thank you.

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