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Old August 19 2014, 09:53 PM   #31
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Re: Season 3

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"Spectre of the Gun" remains in my top ten favorite Trek episodes. I much prefer the first season over the second season and the second over the third (Gene Coon's injection of humor appealed to me as a kid but nowadays kind of annoys me). The third season is the most disjointed but having rewatched a number of episodes, there were a number of wonderful episodes throughout that year.
I was thinking the same thing at the beginning of Season 2, with some of the episodes taking a sudden departure from tone in the last minute and everyone making silly comments and forced laughter/smiles.

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So I just finished Turnabout Intruder.

The Savage Curtain was fun. Seeing Lincoln in space has unfairly portrayed this episode as silly, but when you watch it, it's great.

The actor who portrayed Lincoln did a great job. At first, I was apprehensive when I saw Abe Lincoln in space, but as the episode goes on and we get to spend a little time with Abe, I found myself being won over. I liked Abe. And I felt bad when he got a spear in the back. I also liked Surak a lot.

All Our Yesterdays. Here's another example of Season 3 witch-hunting. Spock eating meat. Going into the episode, I was thinking Spock was just eating meat to eat meat and that the writers had forgotten about the character's vegan status. But in watching the episode, it's quite clear that Spock isn't feeling, acting or behaving normally. There's a reason for it and it's because the time travel has altered his personality. It's NOT like That Which Survives, and Spock acts abnormally for no reason.

No, the only indication of violating characterizations I found in the entire series was in "That Which Survives" and slightly in Cloudminders when Spock is discussing Pon Farr.

Turnabout Intruder, similarly, gets witch hunted for being sexist. I think that's rather extreme. Why is it sexist? Did I miss something? Janice Lester is a MURDERER *and* a maniac, so of course she doesn't get to be a starship captain. HELLO!

Anyway, Season 3 had its fair share of great stories, character growth and humanism that we came to love in Seasons 1 and 2.

The only problem was the budget, since it's obvious they had to go claustrophobic keeping everything on minimal sets, or the Enterprise sets.

Am I wrong or was The Paradise Syndrome the only episode in Season 3 with location shooting?

What a show. My favorite show of all time. What if they found out about demographics before cancellation? What if they were given that Monday night at 8 timeslot?

If only, if only...

And on to The Animated Series...
I've enjoyed all of your feedback and agree with almost all of your points and observations. For me, 'Spectre of the Gun' ranks in my all-time top ten episodes. For that one, they made a masterpiece where there was no money. It's an episode that makes you think. There are several other S3 episodes that are among my favorites. I can only wish they had kept making TOS.....even if it had been at the S3 standard.
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Old August 19 2014, 10:31 PM   #32
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Thanks, AtoZ.

I really wish they had done that DC Fontana story "Joanna" that shows McCoy's daughter. I don't remember the plot much now, but anything to expand on the characters we love.

Sometimes I wish they had gone through Star Trek Phase II instead of going the feature film route, (though I do lovw and enjoy TMP, despite its flaws).
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Old August 22 2014, 10:52 PM   #33
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I just realized I never commented on "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield", which I thought was an ok episode. The slashed budget seems very obvious to me here, but my favorite part of the whole thing was seeing Kirk initiate the self-destruct sequence.

I love that whole scene.

Not only was it cool because it was repeated in ST-III, but I love Shatner's acting here.

Kirk's cocky, knowing tone as he sits confidently in his captain's chair, rubbing his chin and telling Frank Gorshin's character that he's totally screwed. An all time great moment in TOS and CLASSIC Shatner at his best.
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Old August 22 2014, 11:04 PM   #34
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EnriqueH, something you must see is Lou antonio (Lokai) in his Hawaii Five-O episode The Burning Ice, about a year or so after Battlefield was made. I didn't recognize him for who he was until a chase scene at a zoo. You will see exactly what I mean. You too will say "Hey, it's Lokai!"

He's very convincing in the episode, too, playing a very (physically) sick man.

Worth the watch. I wouldn't steer ya wrong!
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Old August 22 2014, 11:09 PM   #35
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I'll have to give it a watch. Is Hawaii Five-O currently on NetFlix? Need to check. (I know Shatner is also in an episode.)
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Old August 22 2014, 11:17 PM   #36
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I'll have to give it a watch. Is Hawaii Five-O currently on NetFlix? Need to check. (I know Shatner is also in an episode.)
That's a good question. I have the series on DVD, so I haven't needed to check. It's a good episode, though.

I'm not sure if I've gotten to Shatners' episode yet. I'm watching them at a leisurely pace, so's not to get 'marathon viewing burnout'.

You see a heck of a lot of Star Trek actors in the series overall.
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Old August 23 2014, 01:46 AM   #37
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They were trying new things, direction-wise in the third season, like Kirk running in slo-mo in "The Empath", Spock's beautiful voiceover monologue in "The Cloudminders", even unusual camera angles like shooting Kirk up through the glass tabletop in "The Mark of Gideon" or framing a shot through a metal staircase in "For The World Is Hollow.."

It makes you wonder what other improvements or innovations we may have seen in a fourth, fifth or sixth season.
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Old August 23 2014, 02:44 AM   #38
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I'll have to give it a watch. Is Hawaii Five-O currently on NetFlix? Need to check. (I know Shatner is also in an episode.)
It is. I watched an Barbara Anderson episode awhile back.
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Old August 23 2014, 03:15 AM   #39
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"Spectre of the Gun" remains in my top ten favorite Trek episodes. I much prefer the first season over the second season and the second over the third (Gene Coon's injection of humor appealed to me as a kid but nowadays kind of annoys me). The third season is the most disjointed but having rewatched a number of episodes, there were a number of wonderful episodes throughout that year.
I was thinking the same thing at the beginning of Season 2, with some of the episodes taking a sudden departure from tone in the last minute and everyone making silly comments and forced laughter/smiles.

---

So I just finished Turnabout Intruder.

The Savage Curtain was fun. Seeing Lincoln in space has unfairly portrayed this episode as silly, but when you watch it, it's great.

The actor who portrayed Lincoln did a great job. At first, I was apprehensive when I saw Abe Lincoln in space, but as the episode goes on and we get to spend a little time with Abe, I found myself being won over. I liked Abe. And I felt bad when he got a spear in the back. I also liked Surak a lot.

All Our Yesterdays. Here's another example of Season 3 witch-hunting. Spock eating meat. Going into the episode, I was thinking Spock was just eating meat to eat meat and that the writers had forgotten about the character's vegan status. But in watching the episode, it's quite clear that Spock isn't feeling, acting or behaving normally. There's a reason for it and it's because the time travel has altered his personality. It's NOT like That Which Survives, and Spock acts abnormally for no reason.

No, the only indication of violating characterizations I found in the entire series was in "That Which Survives" and slightly in Cloudminders when Spock is discussing Pon Farr.

Turnabout Intruder, similarly, gets witch hunted for being sexist. I think that's rather extreme. Why is it sexist? Did I miss something? Janice Lester is a MURDERER *and* a maniac, so of course she doesn't get to be a starship captain. HELLO!

Anyway, Season 3 had its fair share of great stories, character growth and humanism that we came to love in Seasons 1 and 2.

The only problem was the budget, since it's obvious they had to go claustrophobic keeping everything on minimal sets, or the Enterprise sets.

Am I wrong or was The Paradise Syndrome the only episode in Season 3 with location shooting?

What a show. My favorite show of all time. What if they found out about demographics before cancellation? What if they were given that Monday night at 8 timeslot?

If only, if only...

And on to The Animated Series...
I've enjoyed all of your feedback and agree with almost all of your points and observations. For me, 'Spectre of the Gun' ranks in my all-time top ten episodes. For that one, they made a masterpiece where there was no money. It's an episode that makes you think. There are several other S3 episodes that are among my favorites. I can only wish they had kept making TOS.....even if it had been at the S3 standard.
I also love Spectre.., it is essentially a Twilight Zone episode that takes place in the TOS universe.
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Old August 23 2014, 04:23 AM   #40
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I also enjoy spectre of the gun. Its one of my favs from season 3. The march of the outlaws reminds me of shots from High Noon where the bad guys meet up to challenge Gary Cooper. In Spectre, I love the twist with wide angle lens and close up screen left with the march. Reminds me very strongly of the foreign films especially Berman's Persona! The stagey production design, heavy shadowy lighting and red background screams of surrealism. The episode totally rocks... if it was done on the lot this opportunity for surrealism would be lost...I absolutely love the zooms used as transitions... Brilliant, ghostly & haunting!!!

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Old August 23 2014, 02:05 PM   #41
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I liked the guy who played "J'onn" in Star Trek V as Morgan Earp.

Rex Holman did a great job. Two totally different characters. Makes you wonder about his other acting roles.

I mean, the entire Earp gang was well played.
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I think Mr. Spock might have wanted to Ponfarr Droxine...
Yes but why?

I know she's amazingly hot but is that what Spock's about?

Does he want a shallow princess? And then he goes blabbing to her about sex. I just hope he was trying to get rid of her
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Old August 23 2014, 02:37 PM   #43
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I enjoyed Season 3, didn't watch many episodes but enjoyed anyway.
I prefer Season 2 of TOS though.
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Old August 23 2014, 02:45 PM   #44
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I think Mr. Spock might have wanted to Ponfarr Droxine...
Yes but why?

I know she's amazingly hot but is that what Spock's about?

Does he want a shallow princess? And then he goes blabbing to her about sex. I just hope he was trying to get rid of her
His human side...
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I was thinking the same thing at the beginning of Season 2, with some of the episodes taking a sudden departure from tone in the last minute and everyone making silly comments and forced laughter/smiles.

---

So I just finished Turnabout Intruder.

The Savage Curtain was fun. Seeing Lincoln in space has unfairly portrayed this episode as silly, but when you watch it, it's great.

The actor who portrayed Lincoln did a great job. At first, I was apprehensive when I saw Abe Lincoln in space, but as the episode goes on and we get to spend a little time with Abe, I found myself being won over. I liked Abe. And I felt bad when he got a spear in the back. I also liked Surak a lot.

All Our Yesterdays. Here's another example of Season 3 witch-hunting. Spock eating meat. Going into the episode, I was thinking Spock was just eating meat to eat meat and that the writers had forgotten about the character's vegan status. But in watching the episode, it's quite clear that Spock isn't feeling, acting or behaving normally. There's a reason for it and it's because the time travel has altered his personality. It's NOT like That Which Survives, and Spock acts abnormally for no reason.

No, the only indication of violating characterizations I found in the entire series was in "That Which Survives" and slightly in Cloudminders when Spock is discussing Pon Farr.

Turnabout Intruder, similarly, gets witch hunted for being sexist. I think that's rather extreme. Why is it sexist? Did I miss something? Janice Lester is a MURDERER *and* a maniac, so of course she doesn't get to be a starship captain. HELLO!

Anyway, Season 3 had its fair share of great stories, character growth and humanism that we came to love in Seasons 1 and 2.

The only problem was the budget, since it's obvious they had to go claustrophobic keeping everything on minimal sets, or the Enterprise sets.

Am I wrong or was The Paradise Syndrome the only episode in Season 3 with location shooting?

What a show. My favorite show of all time. What if they found out about demographics before cancellation? What if they were given that Monday night at 8 timeslot?

If only, if only...

And on to The Animated Series...
I've enjoyed all of your feedback and agree with almost all of your points and observations. For me, 'Spectre of the Gun' ranks in my all-time top ten episodes. For that one, they made a masterpiece where there was no money. It's an episode that makes you think. There are several other S3 episodes that are among my favorites. I can only wish they had kept making TOS.....even if it had been at the S3 standard.
I also love Spectre.., it is essentially a Twilight Zone episode that takes place in the TOS universe.
If there is one strong point in Spectre, it is how the mood and tone is greatly influenced by the beautiful lighting. In fact, Star Trek TOS had that one artistic quality above everybody else in my books. The use of various colors and lighting. Spectre had that in spades.
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