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Old August 2 2014, 07:58 PM   #1
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Kirks middle name

I just watched an episode called Where no man has gone before and in the episode a gravestone is displayed with the name James R Kirk. I only know Kirks middle name as Tobias, was the original name something different?
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Old August 2 2014, 07:58 PM   #2
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Tiberious.
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Old August 2 2014, 08:02 PM   #3
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Tiberious.
I knew that. He only says it once, though. And not in the series if memory serves, in one of the movies.
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Old August 2 2014, 08:03 PM   #4
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Tiberious.
I knew that. He only says it once, though. And not in the series if memory serves, in one of the movies.
I thought it was in The Animated Series?
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Old August 2 2014, 08:09 PM   #5
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Tiberious.
I knew that. He only says it once, though. And not in the series if memory serves, in one of the movies.
I thought it was in The Animated Series?
General Chang says it in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country, but I believe it first appears in the animated Star Trek episode, "Bem," where it is said four times per the transcript.

For what it's worth, David Gerrold takes credit for coming up with the name at a convention in this interview, after which he put it an episode and had it approved by Gene Roddenberry and D.C. Fontana.
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Old August 2 2014, 08:17 PM   #6
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Well, according to Memory Alpha...

"James Tiberius Kirk" was the final choice of name chosen to adorn the new TV show's hero. "James", derived from the Hebrew name Jacob, means "grasps the heel" or "grasps the bottom"; a colloquial equivalent would be "he gets it" or even "he groks". "Kirk" is the Lowland Scots word for "Church". "Tiberius" was first identified in the animated episode "Bem", and mentioned again in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country. Tiberius Caesar Augustus was the second Roman Emperor, known for his darkness and corruption, from the death of Augustus in 14 AD until his death in 37 AD. Tiber is the Latin name for the river that runs through the city of Rome. The name might also possibly have been influenced by the maverick Roman politician Tiberius Gracchus.
According to Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek: The Motion Picture novelization, Kirk was named "James" after his mother's "first love instructor" as well as an uncle (his "father's beloved brother"), and "Tiberius" because the Roman emperor fascinated his grandfather Samuel.
According to the infamous and incorrect "James R. Kirk" tombstone, created by Gary Mitchell in TOS: "Where No Man Has Gone Before", Kirk was born on stardate 1277.1, and was intended to die on 1313.7. That could have been the stardate Kirk actually assumed command of the Enterprise, with its place on the tombstone being part of Mitchell's morbid sense of humor. According to D.C. Fontana in the introduction for Star Trek: The Classic Episodes 1, when the mistake over the middle initial was discovered, Gene Roddenberry decided that if pressed for an answer on the discrepancy, the response was to be "Gary Mitchell had godlike powers, but at base he was Human. He made a mistake."
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/James_T._Kirk
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Old August 2 2014, 08:18 PM   #7
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I knew that. He only says it once, though. And not in the series if memory serves, in one of the movies.
I thought it was in The Animated Series?
General Chang says it in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country, but I believe it first appears in the animated Star Trek episode, "Bem," where it is said four times per the transcript.

For what it's worth, David Gerrold takes credit for coming up with the name at a convention in this interview, after which he put it an episode and had it approved by Gene Roddenberry and D.C. Fontana.
It's funny, I knew that it was said in the animated series but instinctively, I dismissed it as irrelevant. The animated series also contains a holodeck yet in TNG it is presented as something new.
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Old August 2 2014, 08:32 PM   #8
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Oops I meant to write Tiberius, but a glass of wine or two turned him into Tobias. Thanks for all the replies, it has answered my question 😊
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Old August 2 2014, 08:38 PM   #9
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"Grasps the bottom"? Well, that explains a lot.
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Old August 2 2014, 08:41 PM   #10
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Oops I meant to write Tiberius, but a glass of wine or two turned him into Tobias. Thanks for all the replies, it has answered my question ��
Please tell me the name of the wine.
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Old August 2 2014, 08:55 PM   #11
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The R. stands for Reinhold, just like Dan R. Fielding on Night Court.
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Old August 2 2014, 09:01 PM   #12
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The R. stands for Reinhold, just like Dan R. Fielding on Night Court.
I thought it was Riberius, and Mitchell had slugged some of the OP's wine.
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IIRC, the original intent was for "R" to stand for Roy, which is why Nomad so easily mistakes the captain for its creator (Jackson Roykirk). I can't remember when "T" was first used, though.
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Old August 2 2014, 09:10 PM   #14
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IIRC, the original intent was for "R" to stand for Roy, which is why Nomad so easily mistakes the captain for its creator (Jackson Roykirk). I can't remember when "T" was first used, though.
That's unlikely, since "James T. Kirk" appears in the first season ("Court Martial" and "A Taste of Armageddon") and "The Changeling" wasn't written until after those episodes had already been written, filmed, and broadcast.
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Old August 2 2014, 09:40 PM   #15
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^ Alrighty-roosky.
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