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Old August 24 2014, 05:08 AM   #31
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Re: Four Years War

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It's curious that the one piece of supposed brilliant tactics by Kirk that does get a mention in the episode is his victory over Romulans. Since Romulans have been out of the picture for a century and would only have been participating in fights in the last year or two, this sort of establishes that Kirk was a warrior until very recently.

Unless we argue that the "explorers" of "nowadays" regularly defeat Romulans, Klingons or Tholians in isolated incidents like that, and real soldiers used to fight 24/7 for decades at an end...

Or then the UFP has been at total peace for so long that people get to be famous military heroes by doing well in a simulated fight, in this case in a brilliant re-enactment of an old battle against Romulans.

Timo Saloniemi
Well, Kirk did stop the Romulan attack near Earth Outpost 4 ("Balance of Terror") and outfox a fleet of Romulan destroyers near Gamma Hydra IV ("The Deadly Years"). In addition, the dialogue toward the end of "Whom Gods Destroy" established that Kirk used the Cochrane Deceleration Maneuver to defeat a Romulan ship at Tau Ceti, a move referred to as a classic battle tactic. The last of these examples was never shown in TOS, and suggests an encounter not fully illuminated in TOS-proper.

It should be added that "The Enterprise Incident" occurred well before "Whom Gods Destroy", so Kirk can be credited (secretly?) with having stolen the new-and-improved Romulan cloaking device. All of these examples would allude to Kirk being an outstanding military commander, even if only a Cold Warrior.
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Old August 24 2014, 01:36 PM   #32
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The issue this creates is that Kirk has become an explorer within the past year only, having been a warrior before that. But we supposedly watched the transition happen, and saw none! If Kirk's "primarily an explorer now", but keeps on doing the very same things he did in the first season, potentially five years prior, we are left scratching our heads at what "explorer" and "military commander" mean for Kirk and Garth, and why either should care to bring up the distinction.

If Kirk's actual military heroics were in the more distant past, it would be easier to believe in a Four Years War or the like. The implication of the dialogue and the two distinct career stages mentioned there is that the quoted (and partially televised) success against Romulans would be a very tiny thing compared with what Kirk had been doing before, meaning the earlier line of work would probably indeed have involved a full-blown war.

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