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Old July 27 2014, 01:39 PM   #16
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Re: JMS teases Babylon 5 feature film at Comic-Con

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JMS is Still on good terms with Martin Sheen and Martin's rolodex?

Do a dramatic gritty political drama about a change over in the Drazi Government.

Call it "The Purple Wing".
Green Wing! Green Wing!
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Old July 27 2014, 01:45 PM   #17
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Purple Wing!

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I'm not sure what the plot is, but it's got 12 principle characters all played by Wayne Alexander simultaneously.
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Old July 27 2014, 03:34 PM   #18
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I'm on the fence here. Outside of a movie showcasing Clark and focusing on why he did what he did (The series biggest missed opportunity as far as I'm concerned. They could have shown this in a one-off episode like that stupid Psi-Cop episode. Why they didn't is beyond me.), I really don't see the point. With the exception of In the Beginning Babylon 5 has a horrible track record with revivals. That, plus the cast dropping like flies, it's best to just leave well enough alone.

On the other hand, I love Babylon 5 so much that I'd most liklely watch any new revival at least once.
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Old July 27 2014, 03:51 PM   #19
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I'll stay hopeful for this. I'd like to see more B5. I'd want to see the surviving cast, though. No more reboots, I'm beyond tired of them and I don't see it working out in one movie, especially one that (even if it gets made)has no guarantee of a sequel. I think there are enough living cast members left, especially if you include Crusade, that could make a movie work. I don't know if we'll ever end up seeing this actually get made, but I'd like to see it.
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Old July 27 2014, 03:53 PM   #20
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Pardon the repost of what I just put in the #FreeBabylon 5 thread but here's the full report from JMS' panel yesterday:
Saturday at San Diego Comic-Con (or the day JMS announced that he'll do a B5 movie).

I got there at a good time, not long after the con opened at 10:00 AM. A little surprisingly, the mezzanine didb't really seem too much busier than other days so far except for the food area being busier. I've got pre-written letters to WB and NBC/Universal out on the table and a fair number of folks took those to mail after adding a little demographic info. Five or six were left with me and I dropped them off to be mailed.

The big panel of the day was JMS' of course. First I went to his signing and got a few things signed that will most likely be destined as fund-raisers. I verified with JMS that he wouldn't mind if I handed out buttons and postcards before his panel. A new friend, Lukas, handed out at the door and I wandered the room where people were already staying from the panel before.

JMS started the panel by reviewing his current projects, both 'out house' (not Studio JMS) and in-house and continued with news. We got an introduction to the Sense8 actors. JMS described it as a "...complex, amazing tapestry of stories."
- Ten Grand: JMS is currently negotiating with a major Studio/Network for a series based on this.
- Shadowman feature film: He's two to three weeks from turning in the latest draft.
- He couldn't name it, but he's working on a project for Universal concerning Rod Serling and working with Carol Serling, Rod's widow on it.
- Again he couldn't say much but he sshowed a title card for a show called "Two Streets" that he's just made a deal with Universal for that he'll be working with "Walking Dead's" Gail Anne Hurd.
- "Titans" is the name of the Ffeature film/graphic novel project that was just announced yesterday (see movie thread).

So it's been a really big year for Studio JMS. And due to that, he can now look to doing a feature film ffor B5. JMS recapped that WB owns everything about B5 except the movie rights and even though he holds the film rights, to take a B5 movie to another studio without holding the TV rights wouldn't work. There's one studio in LA that doesn't care about that - Studio JMS - and in 2015 JMS will write the script. He'll give WB the opportunity to step up, but if they don't, Studio JMS will make it in 2016 on thier own with a $1-200,000,000.00 budget.

Fan questios:
A fan asked if JMS might crowdfund part of the film so that fans might be involved and JMS said that he resists doing that because it seems to him that SF fans are an exploited group and he doesn't ever want to do that - he'd rather accept investor money.

Asked about the current situation with streaming Babylon 5, JMS said that it's all up to Warner Bros. and geve the #FreeBabylon5 campaign a nice plug, telling of the success in Europe to date and hoping for some movement domestically.

A fan asked if the success of a B5 feature might improve the chances of streaming and even future TV projects and JMS said that it would probably have a significant effect, that a good way to get someone's (WB) attention is to rattle their cage.

Asked if the film would be a reboot or a continuation:
"It would have to be a reboot because it's been twenty-plus years since we started that show and some of the age ranges wouldn't work with some of these characters so we'd need to move a few people around. But what I want to do is use the original cast one way or another but we'd have to move some things around. I'd love to see Bruce as the PPresident of the Earth Alliance; it would be the perfect role for him."

JMS went on to tell about a story he wanted to do that he wasn't allowed to in the original show where when Londo was injured, he wanted to do a dream sequence where the actors played different characters but the studio thought the audience would get confused.

A fan asked what's being made not that would equal BB5 for being transformative and JMS replied that TV is having a golden age right now with lots of amazing things. being made.

He concluded with his regular homily for the fans to never surrender their dreams, that with persistance and talent and luck, can overcome your circumstances and follow your passionss and succeed.

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Old July 27 2014, 04:32 PM   #21
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Sounds a lot like what he talked about a few years back for that aborted, streaming only series that never was. As in a rebooted continuity, but with some familiar actors back in supporting/cameo roles.

One thing I do remember is that he said that there'd be no recasting G'Kar and that the character (or at least the name) would simply supplant G'Quan, presumably with a totally new Narn character in his place as ambassador. I can only assume JMS still has that idea in mind.

Honestly I'm OK with that. It's been a long damn time now even since 'Lost Tales' and there's simply no good way to pick the story back up. Not sure if a reboot like this has ever been done with the original guy still behind the wheel. Could be interesting, especially since there's great potential to use fan expectations and foreknowledge to mislead and pull a surprise plot twist.
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Old July 27 2014, 04:37 PM   #22
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Assuming a reboot or something similar, is it just me or with how serialised the Babylon 5 storyline is then what is the point in a remake?
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Old July 27 2014, 04:45 PM   #23
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JMS has gone on the record as saying he won't do anything B5-oriented unless it's been given a proper budget, ...
So it's never happening, got it.
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Old July 27 2014, 05:59 PM   #24
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I see JMS doesn't want to do this, but I'm still hoping for a Dilgar war feature. It would fit perfectly with the existing material and you wouldn't need to worry about the ages of people involved. And it would be self contained, no need to have people watch what happened before to understand anything.
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Old July 27 2014, 06:24 PM   #25
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JMS has gone on the record as saying he won't do anything B5-oriented unless it's been given a proper budget, ...
So it's never happening, got it.
Apparently he think he can raise one to two hundred million dollars. I'd say that's sufficient.

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I see JMS doesn't want to do this, but I'm still hoping for a Dilgar war feature. It would fit perfectly with the existing material and you wouldn't need to worry about the ages of people involved. And it would be self contained, no need to have people watch what happened before to understand anything.
The Dilgar War just isn't that interesting IMO. Granted we know net to nothing about it, but on the surface it just seems like a straight-forward WWII type conflict. A necessary part of the lore, but little more than a footnote compared to the central plot. Besides, B5 has already done a war movie and as good as it was, it struggled to encapsulate the entire conflict.

There's a good reason why the vast majority of war movies have very tight character based focuses, typically featuring only one tiny slice of the whole. Either from the perspective of one individual or a small group through the whole thing--in which case the war itself is just a dramatic backdrop (see: 'Full Metal Jacket', 'Glory', 'Schindler's List', 'Apocalypse Now' etc.)
The alternative is usually on a single engagement or campaign, in which case it's more along the lines of a Roland Emmerich disaster movie where the events are the focus and the characters are often little more than archetypes (see: 'Bridge Too Far', 'We Were Soldiers', 'The Longest Day')

The reason why neither approaches would work terribly well for a Dilgar War movie is that they all generally pre-suppose the audience is familiar with the conflict. You don't need to be a history professor or even an American to appreciate the historical context for the story of the 54th Massachusetts and it's significance.

How are you going to get an audience to care about the Earth Alliance beating back the Dilgar without it being a brainless "ra-ra Earth rules!" sci-fi action movie? I mean it's not like they invaded Earth. Hell, I'm pretty sure they didn't hit any EA territory, the EA just decided to wade in to basically show off for the sake of power and prestige.
That's not a war movie, it's a Tom Clancy thriller.

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Old July 27 2014, 06:51 PM   #26
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I know he's at a good place in his career, but being able to raise $200 million for a Babylon 5 movie of all things, especially with the home video market in the tank?

I'll believe it when I see it.
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Old July 27 2014, 07:16 PM   #27
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I don't have a link. I'm just reporting what Jan said on Facebook.

Major announcement from JMS at San Diego Comic-Com: He will be writing a B5 feature film in 2015. He'll give WB the opportunity to be involved but if not, Studio JMS will make it in 2016.
I know fans will throw shit at me for saying this but I hope it's completely recast. I'd prefer a reboot as I doubt the surviving cast could carry a movie.

But on the flipside I'd love to be surprised.
Gee JMS yet again claiming his ultimate next B5 project -- sounds like ANY Con he attends.
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Old July 27 2014, 07:36 PM   #28
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I don't have a link. I'm just reporting what Jan said on Facebook.

Major announcement from JMS at San Diego Comic-Com: He will be writing a B5 feature film in 2015. He'll give WB the opportunity to be involved but if not, Studio JMS will make it in 2016.
I know fans will throw shit at me for saying this but I hope it's completely recast. I'd prefer a reboot as I doubt the surviving cast could carry a movie.

But on the flipside I'd love to be surprised.
Gee JMS yet again claiming his ultimate next B5 project -- sounds like ANY Con he attends.
I defy you to name ONE instance when he made this solid a promise and failed to follow through. He generally doesn't make such claims lightly.

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I know he's at a good place in his career, but being able to raise $200 million for a Babylon 5 movie of all things, especially with the home video market in the tank?

I'll believe it when I see it.
The inner workings of the Hollywood movie machine is a mystery to me, so I am in no way qualified to say how easy or hard it is to get any money for these things, let alone a nine figure sum.

JMS on the other hand has been working in that town for decades in television, movies and publishing. So if he thinks it's doable, then I can only assume he knows what he's talking about.
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Old July 27 2014, 07:46 PM   #29
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The inner workings of the Hollywood movie machine is a mystery to me, so I am in no way qualified to say how easy or hard it is to get any money for these things, let alone a nine figure sum.

JMS on the other hand has been working in that town for decades in television, movies and publishing. So if he thinks it's doable, then I can only assume he knows what he's talking about.
How many independently financed films have been made that cost $100-200 million and didn't have "Star Wars" in the title?
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Old July 27 2014, 07:50 PM   #30
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Eh, after all the terrible Babylon 5-related productions to come our way since "Sleeping in Light," I just don't care anymore. What's the point? What made Babylon 5 appealing was its story, and that story is over.
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