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Old August 16 2014, 05:43 PM   #196
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Re: JMS teases Babylon 5 feature film at Comic-Con

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I'd rather that the money were used to render cinematic visions of a universe other than the B5 one, whose story potential is pretty much exhausted and past its sell-by date -- Bank's Culture or non-Culture, Niven's Known Space or Motie space, Hamilton's Commonwealth, Confederation, or Mandel trilogy, Baxter's XeeLee Sequence, Manifold trilogy, NASA trilogy, Long Earth series, or Destiny's Children series, Herbert's Dune saga (the father's vision only, done properly for once although the style of the Lynch film was pretty good apart from the ornis) or WorShip series -- the choices are multitudinous.
JMS was working on a Lensman adaptation which is still in development-hell. I'd like to see him finish that instead, although people will only associate it with things that used it for inspiration, like Green Lantern.
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Old August 16 2014, 06:20 PM   #197
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^^ I agree with you. I really don't think that B5 is suited to the movie market, especially in the current climate. I think something like Lost Tales is more appropriate. LT wasn't that successful, either commercially or artistically, but I think it could be (especially given growing markets like Netflix and Amazon Prime). And apparently JMS's B5 Rights do include that type of format.
Where did you get that idea? AFAIK he's always said he was only able to retain the movie rights and nothing else. That streaming series that almost was from a few years back was commissioned under a licence granted by WB.

He can't just up and do whatever he feels like for anything that isn't a movie.

Now while I think there has been a few straight to streaming movies, they're really no different in quality and budget than straight-to-DVD/TV films. Not the kind of thing to convince investors that Studio JMS is setting out to be another 'Bad Robot' style production company.
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Old August 16 2014, 07:04 PM   #198
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JMS was working on a Lensman adaptation which is still in development-hell. I'd like to see him finish that instead, although people will only associate it with things that used it for inspiration, like Green Lantern.
He wrote it long ago, 2008-2009. It's entirely out of his hands now. The script is pretty much the first thing done. After a director comes on, rewrites usually follow. But everything JMS can do has already been done.

ETA: Just realized you might have meant that JMS should option the rights and make the Lensman movie himself. He'd have to write a whole new script unless he bought the one already written back. And right or wrong, the ones who commissioned the script in the first place seem to have decided that there's not enough name recognition in a Lensman film to warrant the money needed. JMS doesn't seem to agree with that but it's a major consideration when looking for investors that another major company (Ron Howard's companyIIRC) has passed on.

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Old August 17 2014, 09:50 AM   #199
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40 years ago a popular "TV Show" shown across the Centauri empire showed how to butcher and prepare Narn cattle into positively scrumptious fine dining... This is the story of the Rangers tasked with hunting down everyone involved with that programming and taking them in chains to Minbar, to face trial for crimes against decency.
Actually, something like that would not be a bad idea.

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Not that we know of. In fact, considering that direct-to-home-video (of any sort) had barely even been thought of at the time his contract was written, I'd say that there's almost no possibility that he owns anything other than what he's stated - the feature film rights. Anything else he's done, such as the short stories, he's had to get permission from WB.
Ah, I didn't realize that. They even have control over publishing. I wonder if he could challenge streaming rights in court. I know (or think I know) that some work-for-hire comic book writers have successfully challenged contracts that didn't mention undreamed-of-at-the-time situations, such as TV shows and movies.

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Where did you get that idea?
Apparently I just made it up.

Now while I think there has been a few straight to streaming movies, they're really no different in quality and budget than straight-to-DVD/TV films. Not the kind of thing to convince investors that Studio JMS is setting out to be another 'Bad Robot' style production company.
I don't know. These streaming markets are in their infancy, but they're probably the cable of the future. And pretty much whatever good stuff there is today is happening on cable.
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Old August 17 2014, 10:36 AM   #200
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Ah, I didn't realize that. They even have control over publishing. I wonder if he could challenge streaming rights in court. I know (or think I know) that some work-for-hire comic book writers have successfully challenged contracts that didn't mention undreamed-of-at-the-time situations, such as TV shows and movies.
I think it'd be a tough and most likely futile fight. If they own the TV broadcast rights then it's not too much of a stretch to argue that this extends to broadcasting on the net as a derivative medium.

Given that the source material is a TV show and not a comic book, I'd think the terms and definitions in the contracts would be much more specific. As in they've *only* granted him movie rights and everything thing else defaults to them in perpetuity.

I suppose the best evidence to support this is that JMS would have said so if he had the streaming rights, or at least a snowball's chance in hell of getting them. He hasn't, therefore he almost certainly can't.

Again, a movie is his only avenue to make more B5.

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I don't know. These streaming markets are in their infancy, but they're probably the cable of the future. And pretty much whatever good stuff there is today is happening on cable.
I don't disagree, but realistically investors don't usually like to gamble nine figures on new, unproven markets. As you say, it's still in it's infancy and it could still all come crashing down.

That aside, since it's mostly a subscription model there just isn't anywhere near the same potential audience size you'd get compared to a theatrical release and that's what really matters for such a venture to be profitable.

More to the point, a straight to stream/DVD/TV movie is not going to get WB's attention anywhere near as effectivly as a successful theatrical release.
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Old August 17 2014, 01:01 PM   #201
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I suppose if JMS can make a fast paced movie with plenty of action and humor as well as pathos and the movie is well marketed, it might work.
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Old August 18 2014, 09:27 AM   #202
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^^ Yeah, but I wouldn't want to see B5 turned into nuTrek or Guardians of the Galaxy or whatever.

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I suppose the best evidence to support this is that JMS would have said so if he had the streaming rights, or at least a snowball's chance in hell of getting them. He hasn't, therefore he almost certainly can't.
Yeah, that's true enough.
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Old August 18 2014, 11:42 AM   #203
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Babylon 5: The Olympics.

No terrorists, no bomb, actually barely any script. Get a hundred actors in Alien make compete against each other in sports while camera crews follow them around and then flavoured with interesting commentary.

Oh, gods. Imagine the figure skating Narns.

A hundred actors?

Knowing B5's M.O., it'd be three actors playing all the alien extras.

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Old August 25 2014, 06:39 PM   #204
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^^ Yeah, but I wouldn't want to see B5 turned into nuTrek or Guardians of the Galaxy or whatever.
You do know that Star Trek and Babylon 5 are basically action adventure space opera franchises, right?
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