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Old July 25 2014, 03:07 AM   #1
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Spock Prime Warnings To NuSpock

I almost posted this in another thread, but realized it might be a spoiler there, so.....

We've joked about Spock's Brain being a horrendous episode, but it occurred to me that Nimoy-Spock might also break his oath of silence regarding events yet to happen to Quinto-Spock given the trauma associated with having one's brain removed against one's will. What do you think?

Would/should Spock Prime warn NuSpock that aliens will try to steal his brain?

What else might Spock Prime consider important enough to forewarn NuSpock, understanding that both are already in an alternate timeline?
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Old July 25 2014, 04:03 AM   #2
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What else might Spock Prime consider important enough to forewarn NuSpock, understanding that both are already in an alternate timeline?
I admit it's hard to come up with a really compelling reason not to warn about as many threats as possible. So many had happy endings only by the skin of Kirk's teeth that any preparation seems more likely to be useful than not.

Certainly the Big Inevitable Extra-territorial Menaces need warnings --- Nomad, the Giant Space Amoeba, the Whale Probe --- and, heck, just a clear statement about what to do with those is likely to save more lives than were lost with Vulcan. Add in the Doomsday Machine and the Flying Space Pancakes that killed Kirk Prime's brother prime, and we're reaching the point where Spock Prime is a positive, definite force for good in the New Timeline even without revealing any more advanced technologies. (I'd imagine someone's done stories where he's abducted for his knowledge.)

Data on individual planets and minor crises, like Eminiar or Elas or Ekos (say, what is it with the e-class planets?) are likely to be relevant still and well worth sharing since the Enterprise went in near enough blind to too many of those.

Stuff that gets to galactic politics, like what's going on with the Enterprise Incident Romulan Commander, are likely to be scrambled by changed history past the point of being very useful. I'd imagine biographers of, say, Gorkon would be very interested, if Gorkon matters in the New Timeline, but any information especially about people born after the Kelvin was destroyed is going to be of marginal value.
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Old July 25 2014, 04:39 AM   #3
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dont forget the animated series!
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Old July 25 2014, 06:30 AM   #4
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If there is one thing obvious from ST 09 is that Spock's destiny and the destiny of Vulcan and the Federation has been very obviously and permanently altered. So I don't know what Elder Spock is afraid of now. He might as well give them the low down on as many things as he knows.
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Old July 25 2014, 07:56 AM   #5
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Greg Cox wrote a novel about Spock Prime's future-knowledge way back in 2009, called The Hazard of Concealing - but it was pulled prior to publication and indefinitely shelved.

Here's the blurb:
The events of the recent movie have left one important loose end: the elder Spock from the 24th century. His knowledge of both technology and future events makes him one of the most important strategic assets in the galaxy. Starfleet Command wants Ambassador Spock to rejoin Starfleet and share that information with them, but Spock is reluctant to interfere with the unfolding of the new timeline. Will he be able to escape a sinister plan wrought by the enemies of the Federation, or will their quest to exploit Spock’s wisdom succeed, with disastrous consequences?

If only it found it's way online one day...
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Old July 25 2014, 11:59 AM   #6
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The writers just felt they needed to bring Nimoy back at all cost. I preferred Nimoy as Spock in Trek 09 so much elegance, grace, wisdom and depth he brought to the first film. the second film he was put there for fan service, however it is always a pleasure to see Nimoy.
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Old July 25 2014, 03:24 PM   #7
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Spock Prime shows up on the monitor screen.

Spock Prime: "Dr. McCoy, to what do I owe this pleasure."
McCoy: "We've run into a problem with our Mr. Spock."
Spock Prime: "I have sworn a solemn vow never to-"
McCoy: "Cram it! You helped us out with Khan you can help us out here."
Spock Prime: "I was going to add that since you're asking I will make an exception just this once. What is the problem Doctor?"
McCoy: "Our Spock's brain is missing."
Spock Prime: "His brain is missing."
McCoy: "Someone beamed aboard the bridge and performed an instant lobotomy right there."
Spock Prime stares blankly, possibly irritated.
McCoy: "Well?"
Spock Prime: "I am sending you the coordinates of the planet the brain has been taken. Fix this problem on your own and do not bother me any further on this matter."
McCoy: "Why not?"
Spock Prime: "Some memories are too terrible to relive."
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Old July 25 2014, 04:14 PM   #8
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it is always a pleasure to see Nimoy.
This! And they should make SpockPrime a major character in the next movie!
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Old July 25 2014, 04:31 PM   #9
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Re: Spock Prime Warnings To NuSpock

Actually, it would tie things up nicely if they gave Spock Prime a major role in the next film...and then killed him.
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Old July 25 2014, 04:45 PM   #10
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and then killed him.
Nooooooooooooooooooo!
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Old July 25 2014, 04:50 PM   #11
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Erm, why only limit his information to things that happen in TOS? Why not include a warning against the Borg? Preparation is everything...
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Old July 25 2014, 05:41 PM   #12
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Spock: Anyways, while I'm here I might as well tell you guys about all the stuff that's gonna happen that you can prevent. Hope you got a pen and paper. Right. Don't go near the edge of the galaxy, seriously it'll screw stuff up. McCoy's ex-girlfriend is in fact a salt vampire, watch out for that. Leave Charlie X back on the planet, it'll save time. Balock is in fact a creature testing you, don't worry about it, he's nice. Harry mudd is giving women beauty drugs, make sure you actually lock him up properly, or he'll be back. Don't use the transporter on the planet Alpha 177 take a shuttle, bring McCoy, saves time worrying about injuries. Nurse chapel's boyfriend is a robot. Only the children are immune to the disease. The inmates have taken over the asylum. The psi 2000 disease is caused by water intoxication. Make sure captain pike doesn't get got by delta radiation. Karidian is kodos and his daughter is a killer. The romulans look like vulcans and they have a cloaking device. The planet on omicron delta is a amusement park. Don't send a shuttle to Murasaki 312. Trelane is a child. Don't kill the gorn, it's a test by the metrons. Careful round black stars. Ben finney will go crazy if he doesn't get a promotion, just saying. Landru is a computer, destroy it. Don't beam on the botany bay, it contains left over augments. Destroy the disintergration booths. Anger gets rid of the spores. The horta is trying to protect it's babies. The organians are non-corporeal. Lazarus is from another dimension. Make sure you are careful with cordozine. The creatures on Deneva can be killed by ultraviolet radiation. Tell T'Pau to deal with it and get down to business. The temple is the source of Apollo's power. Trick Nomad and the M-5 with logical puzzles, never fails. There's a mirror universe where everyone is evil, if you don't want to go there, don't beam through a ion storm. Vaal is a computer, fire phasers at it. There is a giant doomsday machine that eats planets, just put a starship and set a warp core explosion. You'll need to pilot it into the machine's maw. Get the transmuter. Zefram Cochrane is still alive, he's on Gamma Canaris N. Thelev is a orion, Sarek will need a heart operation... Tell you what, I'll write it down for you.
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Old July 25 2014, 06:09 PM   #13
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Actually, it would tie things up nicely if they gave Spock Prime a major role in the next film...
It doesn't sound like Nimoy would be medically capable of doing this ... unfortunately.



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Old July 25 2014, 06:45 PM   #14
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Claudia wrote: View Post
Erm, why only limit his information to things that happen in TOS? Why not include a warning against the Borg? Preparation is everything...
Already covered that one in another thread:

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Of course, bringing the Borg into the movie means Spock Prime won't be able to help.

Quinto Spock: "I seek information."
Nimoy Spock: "I swore a solemn vow never to discuss the future with you. But since you are asking, I'll make an exception. Just this once."
Quinto Spock: "Tell me of your encounters with the Borg."
Nimoy Spock: "..."
Quinto Spock: "Sir?"
Nimoy Spock: "Another ship and crew dealt with them. You're on your own with this one. Sorry."
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Old July 25 2014, 06:57 PM   #15
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Nebusj wrote: View Post
austen_pierce wrote: View Post
What else might Spock Prime consider important enough to forewarn NuSpock, understanding that both are already in an alternate timeline?
I admit it's hard to come up with a really compelling reason not to warn about as many threats as possible. So many had happy endings only by the skin of Kirk's teeth that any preparation seems more likely to be useful than not.

Certainly the Big Inevitable Extra-territorial Menaces need warnings --- Nomad, the Giant Space Amoeba, the Whale Probe --- and, heck, just a clear statement about what to do with those is likely to save more lives than were lost with Vulcan. Add in the Doomsday Machine and the Flying Space Pancakes that killed Kirk Prime's brother prime, and we're reaching the point where Spock Prime is a positive, definite force for good in the New Timeline even without revealing any more advanced technologies. (I'd imagine someone's done stories where he's abducted for his knowledge.)

Data on individual planets and minor crises, like Eminiar or Elas or Ekos (say, what is it with the e-class planets?) are likely to be relevant still and well worth sharing since the Enterprise went in near enough blind to too many of those.

Stuff that gets to galactic politics, like what's going on with the Enterprise Incident Romulan Commander, are likely to be scrambled by changed history past the point of being very useful. I'd imagine biographers of, say, Gorkon would be very interested, if Gorkon matters in the New Timeline, but any information especially about people born after the Kelvin was destroyed is going to be of marginal value.
Agreed
Also include the brain thing. Why not?

The only thing is who do you tell?
Admiral Marcus would have been likely to use the information for military gain. Does Prime Spock then trust the rest of Starfleet?
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