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Old July 24 2014, 05:16 PM   #1
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Implications on klingons...

ever notice that Neither duras nor Toral ever show any remorse..

or the sisters

Sending a disturbing implication to me, that the klingon act of Holding the son culpable for his fathers crimes is OK.

Way its framed the MORAL thing for duras to do would be to commit suicide.
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Old July 24 2014, 05:25 PM   #2
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Re: Implications on klingons...

You're not thinking like a true Klingon. Morals and remorse are for weakling humans.
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Old July 24 2014, 06:15 PM   #3
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Re: Implications on klingons...

WesleysDisciple wrote: View Post
Holding the son culpable for his fathers crimes is OK.
For seven generations too.

Worf was the eldest son of Mogh, Alexander was Worf's eldest (only) son. So the guilt in the eyes of a Klingon might be isolated to the heads of the household. Or it might be wide spread collective guilt upon the entire extended family.

The whole idea is social control and order, an individual might commit any act if they knew that responsibiliy rested solely upon them. But if they truly believed that seven generation out would be held responsible that might give them pause.

Duras probably saw his acts as a positive for his descendants, a way of advancing his entire family. As a member of the Klingon aristocracy, Duras might have considered K'ehleyr (especial with her mixed bloodline) to be of little importance. Disposible.

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Old July 24 2014, 06:16 PM   #4
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Re: Implications on klingons...

The Duras family is portrayed as power-hungry and treacherous. The family has a long-standing alliance with the Romulans, which definitely goes against the typical Klingon. They're not a good example of the typical TNG-era Klingon. Kurn, or the ones in A Matter of Honor would be a better example. Gowron is basically an amoral politician, neither good nor bad.
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Old July 24 2014, 06:59 PM   #5
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All three parties mentioned above are isolated examples; we don't have a sample of what might be typical for Klingons. However, successful military commanders from TOS were devious, suggesting the likes of Gowron and Duras have the best odds of rising through the ranks; TNG and DS9 also suggest that the only real way to get into politics is through being a successful warrior. So it's no wonder that politicians would pay considerable lip service to the warrior code, including silly bushido rules or harsh morals or indirect punishment.

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Old July 25 2014, 01:23 AM   #6
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Klingons are just like humans. Most of them only follow the moral rules to the end of being judged positively by their peers, some don't follow them at all, and the ones in power only invoke them to hurt their political enemies.
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Old July 25 2014, 04:20 AM   #7
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Star Trek aliens are jerks. Which is why Kirk was awesome, because he didn't put up with the malarkey.
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Old July 25 2014, 12:11 PM   #8
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The Klingons in The Original Series were barely fleshed out. They had a certain look and there was a lot of shouting. Unfortunately, this lack of detail proved too tempting for TNG writers and we got Klingons who sniff eachother like dogs and spout corny dialogue about Honour and spirituality. It's not such a bad thing leaving STAR TREK aliens mysterious. I can't think of a single race of aliens in this entire franchise who benefitted from closer examination. Q, for example, was almost a genderless race of powerful energy beings who just appeared as John DeLancey for convenience's sake. Now, of course, Q have husbands and wives and raise families and fight for the cause of personal liberty and freedom, with justice for all ...
"― And she brought forth her firstborn Son, and wrapped Him in swaddling clothes, and laid Him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn." (Luke 2:7)
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