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Old July 23 2014, 05:08 AM   #1
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The Enterprise Incident-Who did Kirk piss off to get that job??

Primary Objective: Determine if Romulans are using Klingon technology and have a new cloaking device.

Secondary Objective: Capture said device. Use it to facilitate escape if possible.

The secondary objective is very unlikely, so why the hell are they risking such a valuable asset as The Enterprise for an information mission?

First you have to assume the Romulans don't just start blasting away as seen in The Deadly Years.

Then, having only Kirk and Spock in the know is extremely dangerous. Scotty could have fouled the whole thing up by staging a rescue mission had the Romulans just held onto Spock and Kirk or kept them separate.

As McCoy said, it's a good thing an autopsy wasn't ordered. Also staging Kirk's death so they could give him surgery and put him back on the Romulan ship? Kind of contrived.*

A million things could have gone wrong. I did like how everyone in the crew (except Sulu) had some little things to do. And Joanne Linville was great. I loved her look when she slaps Spock and when she steps onto the Enterprise bridge to see that Kirk is alive.

*If I could rewrite the episode, I'd have Spock on leave and Sulu second in command. Therefore Sulu could play the 'Spock role' in this episode (Have to leave out the Romulan-Vulcan connection bit) it would give Takei a lot to do in the episode and would be a cool moment of surprise to have Spock show up 40 minutes into the episode in a Romulan uniform ready to beam over and get the Cloaking Device. Gives Spock some 'action Spock' moments nerve pinching and karate chopping the Romulans Kirk took out in the original ep.
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Old July 23 2014, 05:40 AM   #2
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First appearance of the Vulcan Death Grip*




(*there is no such thing, but don't tell the Romulans)
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Old July 23 2014, 06:20 AM   #3
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Re: The Enterprise Incident-Who did Kirk piss off to get that job??

After all those semi-violations of the Prime Directive, I guess Starfleet wanted to send someone skilled but expendable. Kirk would be up on charges probably if some of his logs got out to the Federation council.

Enterprise I suppose was used because it might be the oldest of the class left in service, or the oldest in a condition to undertake the mission. Enterprise, apparently was to be decommissioned at the end of the Five Year Mission anyway. Might as well make the most of her before they scrap her. (Then new tech comes out and some new flag officer (Kirk) decides to have Enterprise used as a testbest or something for the new warp drives).
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Old July 23 2014, 09:41 PM   #4
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As McCoy said, it's a good thing an autopsy wasn't ordered. Also staging Kirk's death so they could give him surgery and put him back on the Romulan ship? Kind of contrived.*

TV drama writers at the time were urged to make their Act Two endings as gripping as possible, so the Nielsen families wouldn't switch the channel for a sitcom.

It's hard to top the Act One ending, though. Spock merely confirms to the Commander what we knew all along.
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Old July 23 2014, 10:02 PM   #5
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Sending the Enterprise makes sense; she's quite possibly the only ship the Romulans would want to capture rather than destroy, for her role in the previous encounters. Not coincidentally, Spock's role is also elemental here, as the subterfuge would not work unless a plausible spontaneous traitor could be found in the ranks of Starfleet.

This would hold even if the ship and her crew weren't expendable. But the very fact that the hero ship gets all the shitty high-risk jobs we witness in the episodes seems to establish that she was built to be lost in the line of duty, allowing more valuable combat assets to survive as the "fleet in being". That's classic Horatio Hornblower stuff, and what the mission class designation "cruiser" would specifically imply in the 20th century or late 19th century sense.

On the other hand, the Mission Impossible plot, full of seeming contrivances, need not be the whole truth: it may be Plan 47B working smoothly, in circumstances where the heroes ruled out Plans 01 through 46 and had to modify 47A slightly on the run. Not pure improvisation, not reliance on specific, rather unlikely conditions, but instead opportunist adaptation using well-prepared "mission modules" of contingency plans.

That's how it would work in the Diane Duaneverse anyway: the heroes would identify by warp signature or whatnot the specific ships that ambushed them, quickly go through the clan identities and political affiliations of the known commanders, and decide which psychological weakness of theirs to exploit...

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Old July 23 2014, 11:22 PM   #6
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Plus (going by episode production order, not airdate) Kirk was just coming off the whole two-month Kirok/Miramanee thing. Granted, he obviously shook off losing a wife and unborn child (and whole alternate identity) a helluva lot better than one would expect, but (assuming Romulan intelligence was paying attention) it does go some way to bolster the alibi that Kirk may have gone off the rails. Starfleet's covered, especially if he does actually go off the rails and the mission goes south. "The strain of command has worn heavily upon him. He's not been himself for several weeks... I believe he has lost the capacity for rational decision."
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Old July 23 2014, 11:48 PM   #7
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I think Spock was the reason the Enterprise was sent. Starfleet likely aimed them right at the ship with a female Romulan commander, hoping Spock could buy them some time.

The mission would have been sunk if the Romulan commander had no interest in Spock.
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Old July 23 2014, 11:57 PM   #8
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Re: The Enterprise Incident-Who did Kirk piss off to get that job??

My problems with this episode are two:

First, the convenience of the Romulan guard who just happens to give Kirk a knowing glance at the Cloaking Device, so as to make sure he knew what it looked like, so he could steal it. I always hated that "they" did that, on this episode.

And Second, when Bones tells Chapel that he didn't know that Kirk & Spock were operating on Federation orders - until he came onboard the Romulan ship! So, they're going to talk about this shit on an enemy vessel with guards all over and who knows what listening device installed?

Just a little more thought would've made this a very strong episode. As it is, it's fairly solid and pretty consistant with the previous two seasons, overall. I like it.
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Old July 24 2014, 02:31 AM   #9
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Re: The Enterprise Incident-Who did Kirk piss off to get that job??

Dale Sams wrote: View Post
Primary Objective: Determine if Romulans are using Klingon technology and have a new cloaking device.

Secondary Objective: Capture said device. Use it to facilitate escape if possible.

The secondary objective is very unlikely, so why the hell are they risking such a valuable asset as The Enterprise for an information mission?

First you have to assume the Romulans don't just start blasting away as seen in The Deadly Years.

Then, having only Kirk and Spock in the know is extremely dangerous. Scotty could have fouled the whole thing up by staging a rescue mission had the Romulans just held onto Spock and Kirk or kept them separate.

As McCoy said, it's a good thing an autopsy wasn't ordered. Also staging Kirk's death so they could give him surgery and put him back on the Romulan ship? Kind of contrived.*

A million things could have gone wrong. I did like how everyone in the crew (except Sulu) had some little things to do. And Joanne Linville was great. I loved her look when she slaps Spock and when she steps onto the Enterprise bridge to see that Kirk is alive.

*If I could rewrite the episode, I'd have Spock on leave and Sulu second in command. Therefore Sulu could play the 'Spock role' in this episode (Have to leave out the Romulan-Vulcan connection bit) it would give Takei a lot to do in the episode and would be a cool moment of surprise to have Spock show up 40 minutes into the episode in a Romulan uniform ready to beam over and get the Cloaking Device. Gives Spock some 'action Spock' moments nerve pinching and karate chopping the Romulans Kirk took out in the original ep.

Say what you will, Dale makes some good points here. Not to mention the idea that Kirk could pass as a Romulan, someone from a different planet. The episode is implausible as hell. Too many things have to happen just the way they're "supposed to" for Kirk's mission to have any chance of succeeding.

I think this type of Star Trek plot was influenced by the popularity of the often-implausible Mission: Impossible, and not just the "Pueblo Incident" that had been in the news. "Patterns of Force" is another one that reminds me of Mission: Impossible.
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Old July 24 2014, 03:19 AM   #10
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Re: The Enterprise Incident-Who did Kirk piss off to get that job??

Something that was in a early script, but was dropped, was that the two other Romulan cruisers had the then current version of the cloaking device, while the flag ship possessed a next generation advanced prototype. This is what was stolen by Kirk.

It would have (imho) been better to leave this in, the Enterprise didn't just cross the RNZ at just any spot, but was aimed at that particular three cruiser formation.

It would have also made more sense of Spock's line about the other Romulan ships being unable to track a ship equipped with that cloaking device.

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Another thing, there no way Kirk could have been using some version of the universal translator, he would have had to of been speaking the Romulan language, and speaking it well.

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Old July 24 2014, 04:16 AM   #11
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Re: The Enterprise Incident-Who did Kirk piss off to get that job??

I did like how apparently the Romulans can't pick up the Federation transporter beams, and seem to be completely smug in their ability to do so.

Romulan Commander:"It shouldn't take long to apprehend your accomplice" (Or something like that)

Sub-Commander: "They have the cloaking device!"
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Old July 24 2014, 09:40 PM   #12
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I love this episode but it all falls apart if you remember 1 thing. Shields.
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Old July 25 2014, 10:36 AM   #13
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Shields what? In Star Trek, shields are basically never raised - apparently, doing so would put the ship in jeopardy, block the sensors or drain the batteries or something. So as long as Kirk isn't shooting back, the Romulan starships would remain unshielded and open to transport.

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Old July 25 2014, 02:07 PM   #14
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"Shields up Keptin?"
"Captain our shields."
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Old July 25 2014, 02:11 PM   #15
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Shields what? In Star Trek, shields are basically never raised - apparently, doing so would put the ship in jeopardy, block the sensors or drain the batteries or something. So as long as Kirk isn't shooting back, the Romulan starships would remain unshielded and open to transport.

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Am I missing something? Because the shields are always being raised.
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