RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 140,895
Posts: 5,476,858
Members: 25,050
Currently online: 475
Newest member: aloraptor

TrekToday headlines

Klingon Bloodwine To Debut
By: T'Bonz on Nov 25

Trek Actors In War Of The Worlds Fundraiser
By: T'Bonz on Nov 25

Star Trek: The Next Generation Gag Reel Tease
By: T'Bonz on Nov 24

Shatner In Haven
By: T'Bonz on Nov 24

Retro Review: Covenant
By: Michelle on Nov 22

Two Official Starships Collection Previews
By: T'Bonz on Nov 21

Saldana: Women Issues In Hollywood
By: T'Bonz on Nov 21

Shatner Book Kickstarter
By: T'Bonz on Nov 20

Trek Original Series Slippers
By: T'Bonz on Nov 19

Hemsworth Is Sexiest Man Alive
By: T'Bonz on Nov 19


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Star Trek Movies > Star Trek Movies I-X

Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old July 19 2014, 08:56 PM   #16
Captrek
Rear Admiral
 
Captrek's Avatar
 
Location: second star to the right
Re: New unofficial Making of TMP book

Timewalker wrote: View Post
Too pricey for me, given that postage would be over $25 CDN.
WTF? What's with the ridiculous shipping costs?

I'm getting tired of reading about awesome stuff here that's beyond my budget. First the TOS soundtrack, now this.
Captrek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 19 2014, 09:25 PM   #17
JJTrek4ever!
Lieutenant Junior Grade
 
Re: New unofficial Making of TMP book

Captrek wrote: View Post
WTF? What's with the ridiculous shipping costs?
On the assumption that you live in the United Sates, kindly spare a miniscule thought for those of us who reside overseas and are therefore reduced to using extortionately expensive outfits like Reship.com when dealing with scumbag eBay and Amazon Marketplace vendors who refuse to ship outside of the US.
JJTrek4ever! is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 19 2014, 09:42 PM   #18
Captrek
Rear Admiral
 
Captrek's Avatar
 
Location: second star to the right
Re: New unofficial Making of TMP book

Yes, I do live in the US, and have never encountered such shipping costs for a book. If such things are routine for you, you have my sympathies.

Minuscule sympathies, in respect of your request.
Captrek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 19 2014, 09:47 PM   #19
Timewalker
Cat-lovin', Star Trekkin' Time Lady
 
Timewalker's Avatar
 
Location: In many different universes, simultaneously.
Re: New unofficial Making of TMP book

Captrek wrote: View Post
Yes, I do live in the US, and have never encountered such shipping costs for a book. If such things are routine for you, you have my sympathies.

Minuscule sympathies, in respect of your request.
The shipping cost within the US is considerably less, and if that were the price to Canada, I wouldn't complain.
__________________
"Let's give it to Riker. He'll eat anything!"

For some great Original Series fanfic, check out the Valjiir Continuum!
Timewalker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 19 2014, 09:49 PM   #20
Captrek
Rear Admiral
 
Captrek's Avatar
 
Location: second star to the right
Re: New unofficial Making of TMP book

Apparently on creaturefeatures.com, domestic shipping is $13.00. Still much higher than I'm used to for shipping a paperback book, but better than what confronts our international friends.
Captrek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 19 2014, 10:02 PM   #21
JJTrek4ever!
Lieutenant Junior Grade
 
Re: New unofficial Making of TMP book

Captrek wrote: View Post
Yes, I do live in the US, and have never encountered such shipping costs for a book. If such things are routine for you, you have my sympathies.
The $49.50 "International Delivery" fee for two thick trade paperback copies of Return to Tomorrow is an absolute bargain in comparison to what Reship.com would charge in addition to paying the vendor shipping to send the items to Reship.com's Portland, Oregon facility in the first place, so I personally cannot fault Creature Features in this particular instance.

Minuscule sympathies, in respect of your request.
My needs are modest.
JJTrek4ever! is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 20 2014, 06:19 AM   #22
trevanian
Rear Admiral
 
Re: New unofficial Making of TMP book

Got an assignment to review it for ICG magazine, probably for December or January issue (they've reviewed some really arcane stuff, like the Bob Fisher/Storaro book, which probably retailed for $150.)

It'll only be a one-pager, but even so, I really like getting to do stuff that isn't interview-driven. Maybe I WILL order a second copy (first went in under my wife's name, so I probably can't write that one off for taxes ... )
trevanian is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 20 2014, 11:05 PM   #23
SpHeRe31459
Captain
 
Location: Sacramento, CA
Re: New unofficial Making of TMP book

Really tempted to pick this up. I seem to take a long time to finish (if ever) reading the behind-the-scenes books I do have. I'm still slowly working my way through TNG 365, and it took me a long to time to read through Star Trek Action! a few years back, etc. I read it in spurts, and then put it back on the shelf for a while, life intervenes, etc.

TMP to me is always an interesting subject. It was a time when everything was up in air, there wasn't a movie franchise yet, it was based on scrapped Phase II stuff plus more/new stuff when they changed the scope of the project to a movie from a weekly TV series, etc. There's so much to know about what went on behind the scenes.
SpHeRe31459 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 21 2014, 01:18 PM   #24
pfontaine2
Lieutenant Junior Grade
 
Re: New unofficial Making of TMP book

Me too! I've been waiting for this for 30 years. I actually kept my subscription to Cinefantastique for years hoping that they would eventually publish that double issue. I'd love to know the story behind the movie and why the article never made it to print.
pfontaine2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 21 2014, 02:14 PM   #25
trevanian
Rear Admiral
 
Re: New unofficial Making of TMP book

pfontaine2 wrote: View Post
Me too! I've been waiting for this for 30 years. I actually kept my subscription to Cinefantastique for years hoping that they would eventually publish that double issue.
The ad for that non-issue made me order a three-year subscription (which was good in a way, since that meant I was spending money on CFQ rather than STARLOG, but also bad, because I often couldn't afford to buy FANTASTIC FILMS, which sometimes had fantastic Syd Mead interviews.)
trevanian is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 21 2014, 03:18 PM   #26
pfontaine2
Lieutenant Junior Grade
 
Re: New unofficial Making of TMP book

Ahh yes (and I'm a bit off topic here...). The late 70's to mid 1980's was a golden age for genre-related film magazines.

Starlog was great from it's inception up to when it ran its SFX series and published it's photo guidebooks but I eventually lost interest.

Fantastic Films did a great job interviewing important people who worked on various projects. The three issue Alien series of interviews (Dan O'Bannon, Ron Cobb and Ridley Scott) were incredibly interesting.

CFQ was the place to go for hard information about a film's production. Their double issues on Star Wars and Close Encounters are just chock full of information not found anywhere else. I even enjoyed their double issue on the Black Hole!

I was so looking forward to their coverage of Star Trek based on their track record on these other films. And now, after waiting 35 years, I'll finally get my hands on that information!
pfontaine2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 21 2014, 03:22 PM   #27
pfontaine2
Lieutenant Junior Grade
 
Re: New unofficial Making of TMP book

I'm not certain if anyone can answer this question yet but does this book cover the transition from Phase II to TMP? I would dearly love to see more photos of the Phase II sets before they were modified for the movie.

I know there are some online but there are photos that were published in Star Trek magazine of Roddenberry and Wise having production meetings. There on the walls behind them are tantalizing Phase II set photos. The photos are so small that it's hard to make out many details.

This period is what most fascinates me and I hope that it's covered to some degree in this book.
pfontaine2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 21 2014, 03:57 PM   #28
Therin of Andor
Admiral
 
Therin of Andor's Avatar
 
Location: New Therin Park, Andor (via Australia)
View Therin of Andor's Twitter Profile
Re: New unofficial Making of TMP book

pfontaine2 wrote: View Post
I'm not certain if anyone can answer this question yet but does this book cover the transition from Phase II to TMP?
I'm sure it will get some mention, but you do realise there was this in 1997:
http://www.well.com/~sjroby/lcars/1997.html#rsstp2
http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Phas.../dp/0671568396
__________________
Thiptho lapth! Ian (Entire post is personal opinion)
The Andor Files @ http://andorfiles.blogspot.com/
http://therinofandor.blogspot.com/
Therin of Andor is online now   Reply With Quote
Old July 21 2014, 04:00 PM   #29
trevanian
Rear Admiral
 
Re: New unofficial Making of TMP book

If you combine the authorized PHASE 2 book from Pocket with the unauthorized TREK THE LOST YEARS book, then filter both with a discerning eye, you can get a pretty good picture of things. The art in the pocket p2 book is sometimes miscaptioned, though.

Mike Minor's version of vger is something that turns up in the background of a lot of pics, but I remember seeing it online in larger form someplace (maybe ottens lost trek or forgotten trek page?) ... I haven't ever seen anything showing photos of the corridors, but I'm guessing they are standard Holiday Inn, w/o the angled frames.

My guess is that if Minor, Lee Cole and/or Joe Jennings are interviewed that you'll get a decent hunk on p2 in there. Oh, and Jon Povill would certainly be a good person to have interviewed who had history on all trek attempts in the 70s, back when his memory was still fresh.

It'd be awesome if Robert Collins was interviewed as well, but I'm guessing he was long gone by the time Jones got this assignment (he was supposed to direct INTHYIMAGE and was technically still the director when it became TMP, but that was mainly just keeping a placard in place till Wise accepted the job -- they both had the same agent, so Collins knew he was history long before it became official.)

I helped a good writer named Ross Plesset prep a couple articles that ran in FILMFAX around ten years back (it has an EMPIRE STRIKES BACK cover if that helps) which deal with Joe Jennigs' career and paths not taken while phase 3 morphed into TMP ... he got comments from Povill, Collins and I think Bob Goodwin too ... he also got a picture of the building that was going to be used as Starfleet in IN THY IMAGE, an angular place called the Fluor Building.

Unfortunately, the MOST interesting thing Ross got, a memo from Jon Povill to Paramount higher-ups, was left out of the magazine. Povill wanted the memo printed in its entirety (understandable), and it went into convincing Paramount that its ... well, let's say Judeo-Christian bent ... was not a direction that was credible to have vger pursue.

Here's hoping Ross finds someplace that will reproduce that memo sometime ... it's amazingly polite given how what inspired it would probably have had Harlan Ellison throwing Magicam constructs at anybody wearing a business suit.

The stuff that is going to be of most interest to me is how they handle the whole Robert Abel situation. I've talked to a LOT of folks who worked at Abel's, some who went on to Trumbull and Dykstra, and there's a lot that was going on there that was positive, and some really bad stuff too. If Jones didn't get access to vfx till after main unit wrapped, he may not have had access to Abel folk at all, except maybe Bob Swarthe.

Just as an exercise, to give you an idea of what expectations we had at the time of release, you might want to hunt up the NEW WEST article from 79 about the Abel VFX debacle (only presents one side), the Playboy TMP article focusing on Trumbull's team (I think it has a Farah cover, but don't hold me to that) and STARLOG 27's MAGICAM article, along with STARLOG and FF pieces of 1979. I've never read it, but the MEDIASCENE PREVUE piece on TMP (might be 78, not 79) is also supposed to be of interest (cover is a recolored pr shot of the principals, but with great red coloring on the uniforms.)
trevanian is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 21 2014, 04:14 PM   #30
pfontaine2
Lieutenant Junior Grade
 
Re: New unofficial Making of TMP book

Hi Therin. Yes, I know about the Phase II book and bought it as soon as it was released. I think I've downloaded or own nearly everything related to Phase II and yet I know there was more, partially due to those photos I mentioned. I know that the Ottens and Memory Alpha websites have some nice images as well (I provided some to Memory Alpha as scans from long out of print magazines).

The Phase II book is fantastic but doesn't really discuss the transition between Phase II and TMP. There are many articles printed in Starlog, Fantastic Films and others that discuss the production of TMP but there's little that discusses the transition between the two projects. What state were the sets in when Wise came on board? What changes did Roddenberry want now that he had a larger budget? Clearly, the models were discarded and layers of detail were added to the existing sets but I'm always interested in seeing more.

For instance, like Trevanian mentioned, no photos of the Phase II corridors have ever surfaced (though you can see hints of them in some behind the scenes photos that show the framing of the new corridors). Perhaps the corridors had only been framed out but never completed by the time the transition took place. I would love to see anything else that might be floating around that has never made publication or appeared on the internet.

Perhaps I'll start a new thread soon where we could post anything anyone has come across related to the transition between Phase II and TMP so as not to tie up this thread.

Last edited by pfontaine2; July 21 2014 at 04:28 PM.
pfontaine2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 11:33 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.