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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old July 15 2014, 09:43 PM   #1
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Star Trek VI: The Remade ''Package''?

When THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY was released in 1991, did the writers deliberately or unconsciously ape the plot elements of THE PACKAGE from 1989? That Gene Hackman film depicted a conspiracy between disgruntled American and Russian military men to take out Mikhail Gorbachev. Given that TUC included Klingons, Romulans and even Vulcans in the conspiracy as well as Earthmen, was this similarity intentional or accidental in your views?
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Old July 15 2014, 09:47 PM   #2
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Re: Star Trek VI: The Remade ''Package''?

Never heard of The Package. So I don't know?
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Old July 15 2014, 09:49 PM   #3
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The plot isn't exactly original to The Package either. Terrible film, btw.
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Old July 15 2014, 10:03 PM   #4
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Re: Star Trek VI: The Remade ''Package''?

like how skyfall has basically the same plot as crocodile dundee 2?
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Old July 16 2014, 12:28 AM   #5
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THE PACKAGE is a great movie, a very solid thriller IMO. I've seen it several times, but I'd consider it more of a proto-JFK than a proto-TUC, as they go to a lot of trouble to construct an Oswald-patsy that will leave the actual shooter in the clear. First time I got the impression composer James Newton Howard could really bring things score-wise, especially during the rush to the climax.

There are similarities to TUC, but I'd say it is more like Meyer getting to do his previous film, the studio-butchered COMPANY BUSINESS, over again, since that is also 'the wall comes down' and the protagonists are considered over-the-hill AND on the run from their governments.
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Old July 16 2014, 12:29 AM   #6
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like how skyfall has basically the same plot as crocodile dundee 2?
One more reason to never see CD2, thanks!
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Old July 16 2014, 12:53 AM   #7
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Re: Star Trek VI: The Remade ''Package''?

Does all this mean Shakespeare never did a plot where rival factions conspired against the goals of heroes?
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Old July 16 2014, 01:45 AM   #8
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to take out Mikhail Gorbachev.
Nick Meyer has said that the name Gorkon was deliberately chosen to remind us of Gorbachev. His beard was deliberately reminiscent of Abraham Lincoln.
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Old July 16 2014, 01:51 AM   #9
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Re: Star Trek VI: The Remade ''Package''?

I have seen The Package several times and I did not equate it with ST VI: The Undiscovered Country at all.
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Old July 16 2014, 02:23 AM   #10
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The Package is a pretty good Cold War thriller and I can see some similarities but not enough to relate the two movies significantly.
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Old July 16 2014, 02:54 AM   #11
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There's a lot more <ahem> "influence" from The Hunt For Red October.
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Old July 17 2014, 01:18 AM   #12
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The Package, The Hunt For Red October, The Tempest ... whatever you choose, the one thing THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY doesn't really remind me of is the Star Trek series.
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Old July 17 2014, 06:56 PM   #13
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I really doubt it. I'm sure they went in to production for ST6 in 89, and had a script before that. Also, things in hollywood seem to always come in 2's; like white house down and olympus has fallen for example. Plus, it's not like it's an original story at all.

A blatant rip off in my memory would be Masters of the Universe seemingly ripping off Return of the Jedi in the last half of the movie.
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Old July 18 2014, 12:37 AM   #14
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Actually, the production timeline for TUC is extremely compressed. When they approached Harve Bennet in 1990 to deliver a movie by the end of 91, he said there wasn't enough time (plus they didn't want to make the movie he wanted to do.)

It was around fall 90 that Meyer got involved, and the screenplay drafts emerged by year's end, with revisions into the new year as the film struggled to get a green light, being officially cancelled at one point when Paramount and the producers were 1 million dollars apart on the budget.
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Old July 18 2014, 04:52 AM   #15
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Re: Star Trek VI: The Remade ''Package''?

Saw The Package in the last 2 years because I'm a big Hackman fan, but I wasn't too impressed and it didn't remind me of Star Trek VI at all.

Star Trek VI...

I liked ST VI. Good movie, but there are things I really don't like...

1. The claustrophobic looking Enterprise sets.

2. Looks and feels like a TV movie.

3. I wasn't keen on the music. I know they couldn't afford Goldsmith or Horner, but this being the last movie, it should've had one of the two.

4. Scotty looked silly knocking down doors. Should've had Sulu or Chekov doing that.
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