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Old July 14 2014, 02:16 AM   #1
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So, why did Rasmussen choose the Enterprise?

Couldn't sleep, so I decided to watch some old TNG, helps me unwind.

I picked 'a matter of time', and was a few minutes into watching it, and came across the scene where Picard asks Rasmussen why he picked him.

And then it struck me that this is actually a good question, even if one knows his true motivation.

First of all, it seems he did pick the Enterprise. Given the vastness of space, a random encounter with a ship seems quite unlikely, and moreover, it seems he knew what he could expect to some degree. Even though he was a very smooth talker and no doubt accomplished in 'cold reading'.

So, I'm going to have to suppose that he did read up beforehand (or something), and then picked the enterprise as target. But why ?

I can understand that he would travel to an era more advanced than his own but not too much more advanced, as he would still need to be able to reverse-engineer all the stuff he stole (and btw, why not just download manuals while he's at it). Even a time difference of 'only' 200 years would seem quite a stretch in that respect.

But even so, why would he go to a starship, where control would be very tight ? I mean, suppose I'm from the 60's, time traveling to here, and I'd like to get my hands, on ordinary items like, say, a smartphone, or an iPod. Surely a navy ship (with an elite crew serving on it) wouldn't be the smartest place to try to steal that stuff ?

He could have gone to any 24th century backwater with low- to no security and steal some 'worthless trinkets' that no-one really would have missed. Right ? Moreover, he wouldn't have needed the whole 'future historian' con act in a lower-profile place.

So why DID he pick Enterprise ?
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Old July 14 2014, 04:51 AM   #2
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So why DID he pick Enterprise ?
Perhaps the Enterprise then-and-there was just the first space-time address he could find in the time-pod's bookmarks. After all, just because Rasmussen was lying about being a future historian investigating Enterprise-D doesn't mean there weren't historians investigating it.
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Old July 14 2014, 05:08 AM   #3
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Yeah, I've always read it that the real future historian who Rasmussen stole the time craft from probably had that time and date already set in the computer, and was intending (presumably more successfully disguised) to observe the events on that date. As Nebusj surmises, Rasmussen probably just looked through the time ship's own pre-set computer index and hit 'engage'.
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Old July 14 2014, 05:42 AM   #4
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Re: So, why did Rasmussen choose the Enterprise?

A guy he knew from college captained another starship named Enterprise, and he wanted to see what its descendant was like.
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Old July 14 2014, 12:29 PM   #5
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"Rasmussen probably just looked through the time ship's own pre-set computer index and hit 'engage'."

Nice idea, but I'm not sure it adds up with what is told in the episode itself. Rasmussen tells Data that it cost him a few weeks to figure out how the pod worked, so he had to spend a LOT of time on it. After going through all that effort and finally 'cracking' the pod (and presumably seeing the possibilities open to him for the first time), don't you think he would step back for a momnet and think about his best options ? Moreover, it seems he already knew some things about the enterprise and her crew, as I said in my opening post.
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Old July 14 2014, 04:32 PM   #6
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Re: So, why did Rasmussen choose the Enterprise?

Rasmussen should have known everything since he could just read it in the timeship's log. But during the climax, he looks genuinely concerned for his own life. He should already know that it was a success.

Oh, and where's Captain Braxton? He's slacking on the job!
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Old July 14 2014, 04:46 PM   #7
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Re: So, why did Rasmussen choose the Enterprise?

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Yeah, I've always read it that the real future historian who Rasmussen stole the time craft from probably had that time and date already set in the computer, and was intending (presumably more successfully disguised) to observe the events on that date. As Nebusj surmises, Rasmussen probably just looked through the time ship's own pre-set computer index and hit 'engage'.
This actually does make quite a bit more sense that what we were told in the episode - but I would submit that as a thief and a liar, we shouldn't believe anything Max Headroom had to say during the whole adventure.

I'd like to point out that A Matter of Time has aged very well and among my list of TNG eps to rewatch. :thumbsup
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Old July 14 2014, 06:45 PM   #8
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Because there wouldn`t have been an episode if he didn`t!
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Old July 14 2014, 07:19 PM   #9
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One thought would be that his travel pod is like the old version of the TARDIS...it goes were it wants to go.
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Old July 14 2014, 07:29 PM   #10
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I'd like to point out that A Matter of Time has aged very well and among my list of TNG eps to rewatch. :thumbsup
Yeah, I also did enjoy it yesterday, viewing it in the dead of night
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Old July 16 2014, 11:53 PM   #11
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Re: So, why did Rasmussen choose the Enterprise?

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Yeah, I've always read it that the real future historian who Rasmussen stole the time craft from probably had that time and date already set in the computer, and was intending (presumably more successfully disguised) to observe the events on that date. As Nebusj surmises, Rasmussen probably just looked through the time ship's own pre-set computer index and hit 'engage'.
I think you're right, but the Enterprise has always been considered the flagship of Starfleet. So, his choosing this ship would be the obvious source for the best available technology.

Or, he could just have pointed his ship toward the most-densely traveled section of space and encountered the Enterprise.
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Old July 17 2014, 12:19 AM   #12
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A guy he knew from college captained another starship named Enterprise, and he wanted to see what its descendant was like.
I wish that rumor had been real.
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Old July 17 2014, 07:15 PM   #13
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I think you're right, but the Enterprise has always been considered the flagship of Starfleet. So, his choosing this ship would be the obvious source for the best available technology.
True, but:

1) episode suggests that he stole only everyday, 'mundane' items, so as to not arouse suspicion too much
2) considering that he could have gone anywhen, if he wanted the 'best' technology, why not simply jump 50 years further ahead? I suppose the heavily classified 'best' stuff on enterprise would be everyday, declassified techs by then, and he would run much less risk when he stole some. For that matter, why not jump straight to the 27th or even 31st century?

Come to think about it, perhaps still having to reverse-engineer everything he stole wasn't his only reason for not jumping into the too distant future. Perhaps if he jumped to anywhere near the 27th century or later, he would instantly be seen for the con man he was, illegally piloting a time pod ...
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Old July 17 2014, 07:48 PM   #14
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the Enterprise has always been considered the flagship of Starfleet
To nitpick, Picard's first Enterprise was the Flagship of the Federation (the others were never indicated to be flagships of either the Federation or its Starfleet).

But why raid this prominent vessel? Wouldn't it be much better to act with caution and raid some less well known ship that would sport the same futuristic loot but would not be subject to such intense scrutiny by Starfleet and by fellow time travelers (cops and robbers alike)?

I'm all for Rasmussen hitting the E-D because that was a preset option, and even weeks of toiling wouldn't help him master the time pod enough to choose a non-preset option. I'm also a bit skeptical about his chances of optimizing the era from which to steal stuff: the E-D seems to be among his very earliest attempts at time theft, and he would have to do awfully many "test shots" to form some idea of which era would best fit the criteria mentioned above.

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Old July 17 2014, 07:59 PM   #15
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Re: So, why did Rasmussen choose the Enterprise?

I've always thought Rasmussen was just a con artist with good patter, and that he probably didn't understand the first thing about his travel pod. Sure, he might have figured out some basic onboard displays, but he's like a guy who owns a Model T suddenly being put in a Tesla and trying to figure out how to make it work.
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