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Old July 12 2014, 01:16 AM   #16
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Re: Kirk and Helen Noel

CorporalCaptain wrote: View Post
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Revised Final Draft, August 5, 1966

63C TRANSPORTER CHAMBER - INCLUDING KIRK AND HELEN

The look in Kirk's face makes us see what did happen
at the Christmas party. Quickly interrupting:

KIRK
Yes, of course. I had presumed
you were one of the passengers
we were carrying...

HELEN
I'm one of the new medical crew,
Captain.
(smiles, shakes
head)
Dull science degrees and all.

And obviously, judging by the twinkle in her eye,
the fact he thought she was simply a passenger did
result in something that night.
Underlined text is as it appears in the script.

That help?
Awesome, though all that dialog was cut for the final episode, or got changed.
Oh, this was definitely filmed... including the smile and the twinkle in her eye...
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Old July 12 2014, 06:20 AM   #17
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Revised Final Draft, August 5, 1966
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Underlined text is as it appears in the script.

That help?
Yes indeed. Thanks.

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Old July 12 2014, 07:18 AM   #18
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How dangerous was it for Kirk to be screwing around with Mrs. Fredo Corleone? Good thing he and Spocko got some mob training a year later.
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Old July 12 2014, 07:22 AM   #19
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Re: Kirk and Helen Noel

Maurice wrote: View Post
Revised Final Draft, August 5, 1966

63C TRANSPORTER CHAMBER - INCLUDING KIRK AND HELEN

The look in Kirk's face makes us see what did happen
at the Christmas party. Quickly interrupting:

KIRK
Yes, of course. I had presumed
you were one of the passengers f2f
we were carrying...

HELEN
I'm one of the new medical crew,
Captain.
(smiles, shakes
head)
Dull science degrees and all.

And obviously, judging by the twinkle in her eye,
the fact he thought she was simply a passenger did
result in something that night.
Underlined text is as it appears in the script.

That help?
Superb.
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Old July 12 2014, 08:13 AM   #20
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Can I just say, and I know this is old news, but in this episode Marianna Hill is SO GODDAM SEXY! When we first see her in the transporter room, it still hits me like a punch to the pheromones. When she speaks she has that ultra-silky voice. Later she lays off the one-note sex-kitten act, and talks like a professional to Dr Adams and later to Kirk – and she's even better, smart & nuanced. I would have seen this episode when I was very young, probably under age 7, and then many times after up into my teenage years. I have to wonder how much this actress and role helped form my "type", in so far as I have one.

She's a great character. Hill / Noel really sells the investigative process in the neutralizer room. She's scrappy in the last third of the episode, killing that guard and knocking out the security screen so Spock can beam down with the cavalry. She's the only Star Trek girl who saves the day, I think. She and Kirk make a very effective team; his only real "teaming" with a woman that I can recall.

Dagger of the Mind is structured to give Helen an interesting little story arc. Early in the episode, she's smugly confident that Kirk is pursuing her, and she's playing a coquettish game with Helen Gurly Brown -esque moves. A mix of "I'm not that kind of girl" while simultaneously inviting him after her. I think we recognize this dance; and it would not be out of place in a Doris Day movie. Those movies end with Doris landing the man, marrying him. Instead, Helen gets a genie-from-the-bottle twist, when Dr Adams grants her wish. He makes Kirk desperately in love with her, and it's more than she bargained for or wants. I feel like seasons 2 or 3, certainly 3, would have hit this note very hard. This episode spends about a minute on that angle, when Kirk wakes up after the first session. Seriously, it's about one minute. Then professionalism reasserts itself.

Interestingly, Helen's professionalism has been evident since she snapped out of her sex kitten act and announced it, saying "I know my profession, Captain." That's another fun structural play that the script has. From her first appearance in the transporter room, until her line about her profession, Helen is frankly not that professional. She gives the impression that she regards this assignment as not very serious: a lark with the captain, probably a pretext on his part to get her alone with him away from the ship. It's all in her voice when she says that he could have waited until tomorrow to ask about the patients. She's never met business-Kirk before, and she doesn't recognize it when he crisply cuts thru the bullshit, asks for her assessment on the patients, and takes her to the neutralizer. It's not until Kirk asks her a second time whether she will really be able to keep him safe under the beam, that she realizes he is serious, and she focuses.

The moment Helen locks in, is pretty much the moment Kirk checks out. Dr Adams takes control, and Kirk becomes the unconscious victim. From here on out Helen is every inch the Starfleet officer. She is very doctorly while Kirk is being tortured, and then when he first wakes up. The episode is structured to give an instant of suspense when they're alone, and Kirk is in love with Helen. This is what she was angling for, isn't it? Will she be tempted to take hold of him this way? No, not for a moment. She is immediately concerned with restoring his agency, his true self. That only takes a couple seconds; then Kirk is in full tactical mode, finding a plan of action and getting her started on it. But Helen is the one who has to execute the plan; Kirk is in the hostage role, while Helen is in the action hero role. It's a fascinating flip.

I'm really impressed by this script, the more I examine the episode. It's easy to forget that the first third of the episode all occurs on board ship: they don't beam down to Tantalus until 18 or 19 mins in. That stuff on ship is all interesting. I tend to remember Helen as the most essential part of this episode :-) (her, and the first mind meld); but she doesn't appear until 17 mins in. Her arrival gives a jolt of energy to the story, right at a transition moment. It's easy to imagine her character not even existing in earlier drafts; after all, McCoy could go down to the colony with Kirk. But instead she shows up and changes the dynamic for the middle third of the episode. For the next 17 mins she's basically just a walking sex bomb. Her "profession" line is right at the 34 min mark, as exactly divided as you could wish. Then the shit hits the fan and she proves to be an active and resourceful Starfleet officer for the remaining 3rd of the episode.

Zach Handlen hammered Helen in his review of this episode for AV Club, calling her bossy and uninteresting, and saying she & Kirk have no chemistry. I really enjoyed his string of reviews; but this I disagree with. I love Helen & Kirk together.

Or, y'know, her all by herself.
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Old July 12 2014, 08:51 AM   #21
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She is one of my favorite guest actors on the series.
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Old July 12 2014, 03:42 PM   #22
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How dangerous was it for Kirk to be screwing around with Mrs. Fredo Corleone? Good thing he and Spocko got some mob training a year later.
Sonny would worry me more.
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Old July 13 2014, 04:39 AM   #23
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Probably no more than a blow job.

"I did not have sex with that lieutenant."
Very True
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Old July 13 2014, 08:59 AM   #24
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CorporalCaptain wrote: View Post
Maurice wrote: View Post
Revised Final Draft, August 5, 1966

63C TRANSPORTER CHAMBER - INCLUDING KIRK AND HELEN

The look in Kirk's face makes us see what did happen
at the Christmas party. Quickly interrupting:

KIRK
Yes, of course. I had presumed
you were one of the passengers
we were carrying...

HELEN
I'm one of the new medical crew,
Captain.
(smiles, shakes
head)
Dull science degrees and all.

And obviously, judging by the twinkle in her eye,
the fact he thought she was simply a passenger did
result in something that night.
Underlined text is as it appears in the script.

That help?
Awesome, though all that dialog was cut for the final episode, or got changed.
Wasn't this dialog overwritten by the Kirk carrying Noel flashback?

My memory of the episode is entirely different from it seems everyone here.
My overall impression of Helen Noel was typical bimbo Kirk love interest just until the bit where she fought back against the Adam's goons.
She's unprofessional for at least half the episode. Kirk and her grabbing each other in the 'scary' elevator. Her thinking of the totally unethical falling in love scenario for the fantasy.
She's supposed to be a doctor on a covert mission for goodness sake.

And I thought the Christmas party thing was Kirk carrying her (to bed presumably) when Noel asked him if she wasn't just another one of her bimbos. When this killed the mood with Kirk I thought it was all over (nothing happened) and they went their separate ways. Unless this was all Noel's fantasy scenario which basically sucks because in my fantasy scenario Spock/Kirk/McCoy/whoever always says they love me more than anything.

I thought the suggestion Chritmas Party difference was supposed to be that Kirk 'realised' he loved Noel. Not that they went to her room. That he loved her.

Although I'm criticising her character a bit, at least once the chips were down she did become an asset and didn't take 'advantage' of Kirk.
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Old July 15 2014, 03:44 AM   #25
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slightly off topic: Holy Cow! I can see why Kirk was interested. She is super hot.

And, even more off topic, what's with the strange focus on the shot. Various parts of the boots in focus but the legs not?
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Old July 15 2014, 03:55 AM   #26
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I believe that is a natural effect of pantyhose.
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Old July 15 2014, 04:09 AM   #27
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And, even more off topic, what's with the strange focus on the shot. Various parts of the boots in focus but the legs not?
Photoshop job of a shot that wasn't really full-length.
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Old July 15 2014, 05:52 AM   #28
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Nerys Myk wrote: View Post
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How dangerous was it for Kirk to be screwing around with Mrs. Fredo Corleone? Good thing he and Spocko got some mob training a year later.
Sonny would worry me more.
I want somebody good, I mean really good to plant that phaser. I don't want my brother coming outta that 'fresher with just his d*ck in his hands.
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Old July 15 2014, 05:59 AM   #29
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Kirk isn't nearly as much of a Horndog in TOS as is often implied within broader pop culture, he certainly never tended to hit on the crew under his command (even Yeoman Rand was shown to be a kind of unrequited thing, That One Time When He Was Split Into Two Personalities notwithstanding ).....

..... but having said all that, even I would have to admit that Helen Noel was a clear exception. There's a very clear inference that they did indeed hit it off at that party, and that something happened between them which made Kirk subsequently edgy to be around her, although the actual 'version' we see of those events was obviously Helen's heavily romanticized version of the memory, and not by any means an absolute and true account of what actually happened that night. And the script excerpt posted by Maurice above is proof that the writers at least intended it. Which is good enough for me!
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