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Old July 13 2014, 03:12 AM   #31
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Re: Quality declination?

Its a general rule of television that long running shows tend to operate on a bell curve of quality, and TNG is no exception.

That said, season 1 is not nearly as bad as is commonly held nor is season 2. Season 3 I actually find as a whole to be overrated just slightly. 4 through 6 are strong, and 7 as a whole is the worst season. Just my opinion, YMMV.
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Old July 13 2014, 05:17 AM   #32
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Re: Quality declination?

I think the decline largely started in mid Season-6 or so and then largely in Season 7. Probably as focus shifted to DS9 in Season 6 and more writers went over there, then in S7 as probably more of a shift happened, especially in preparation for DS9 and to a much lesser degree Generations.
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Old July 13 2014, 05:25 AM   #33
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Re: Quality declination?

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I have yet to see a show that doesn't decline in later seasons.
One season shows?
Well yeah. Really it's just an extension of 'Troubled Second Album Syndrome'. There are loads of artistes who would be better regarded if they'd stopped after album 1, and certainly more than a few (including greats like The Beatles) where even the most ardant fan can see that churning them out eventually wore everybody down and led to fatigue (and eventually a decline in quality).

TV shows that last more than one season face the same problem. Almost no show has ever weathered the storm without hitting rough seas at some point, usually as a result of fatigue behind the scenes.

I've just recently finished watching "Boston Legal" from start to finish for the first time, and it prompted me to ponder this very question. While the constant cast changes are clearly a means to try to avert this, the reality is that even that show has got a saturation point where it was dangerously close to jumping a shark (somewhere around the start of the fourth season I found myself thinking "Denny's in legal trouble over something he's done again?!? Alan is fighting a big corporation because he can again?!? Get some new plots already!!!").
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Old July 13 2014, 06:04 AM   #34
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Re: Quality declination?

I consider 3-6 to be the show in its prime. I do really like S7 and consider it better than the first two years, and overall it is a good season, but I think S6 was better.
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Old July 13 2014, 08:19 AM   #35
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Re: Quality declination?

In my opinion season 3 is the top season of TNG. Overrated or not, for me it has a certain feeling of adventure, no further TNG season has been able to capture.

I think seasons 4 and 5 are slightly overrated, due to presence of Redemption (great klingon story with lasting implications) and Unification (Spock).
Season 6 has some great DS9-ish moments and its overall feel is very close to DS9 S1/S2 (not surprisingly), which for me, is a good thing. In retrospect, I'm surprised I Like S6 consistently more than I do S4 & S5.
S7 has few really good episodes, special exceptions being AGT, Descent conclusion and Gambit.

So If I should rank the seasons:
S1 - poor
S2 - mediocre but has plus points for a unique feel
S3 - TOP
S4 - OK
S5 - OK
S6 - OK and better than S4-S5
S7 - decline in quality
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Old July 13 2014, 11:23 AM   #36
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Re: Quality declination?

My ranking of the seasons along with the best episode of each:

S3 "Yesterday's Enterprise"
S6 "Tapestry"
S4 "The Drumhead"
S5 "Darmok"
S7 "All Good Things..."
S2 "The Measure of a Man"
S1 "Heart of Glory"

S3 really marked the beginning of what made the show great. The characters are much better served and the stories are stronger. Picard especially grows into a much better lead character. For example, in "The Survivors", Picard actually picks up on the clues and works with them to solve the mystery, whereas in the first season he might not have figured it out until stumbling onto it in the last three minutes, or have Riker be the hero saving the day, while the captain is being totally useless up on the bridge "away team, what's going on!?!?!?!" He also gets some seriously awesome moments when in a stand-off with Romulans or guest aliens like the Sheliak.

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Old July 13 2014, 01:52 PM   #37
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Re: Quality declination?

I think it's necessary to be able to watch TNG or other Trek series without constantly having to compare them, what did they copy, how are they different and so on.

Comparing Treks is only an occasional thing for me.
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Old July 13 2014, 03:44 PM   #38
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I think the 1st season of TNG is the best of the modern TV series (1987-2005).
..that does not compute.
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Old July 13 2014, 04:36 PM   #39
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I think the 1st season of TNG is the best of the modern TV series (1987-2005).
..that does not compute.
Computes fine for me.
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Old July 13 2014, 05:18 PM   #40
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I consider 3-6 to be the show in its prime. I do really like S7 and consider it better than the first two years, and overall it is a good season, but I think S6 was better.
I think I pretty much agree with this.
The great episodes in season 7 are REALLY great, and keep the season as a whole from being as bad as a lot say to me. Parallels is one of my favourite TNG episodes period. Pegasus is up there as well.

And season 6 is really consistent as well, probably more than season 5.

Season 1 or 2? I'll watch them when I'm doing my run-throughs, but it's mostly because I know the rewards of season 3 and beyond are just around the corner.
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Old July 13 2014, 05:21 PM   #41
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The first season is more ballsy and adventurous, so I can totally understand why that appeals to some better than the more subdued later seasons. Too bad the writing on those early episodes is pants.
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Old July 14 2014, 11:24 PM   #42
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I agree with this too. I like season 7. Lower Decks is one of my favorite all time episodes and I think shows that the series had a lot more stories it could have told.

It's interesting that people think season one is the most adventurous and daring. I find it stilted and obvious, and quite cliched. Different strokes!

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I consider 3-6 to be the show in its prime. I do really like S7 and consider it better than the first two years, and overall it is a good season, but I think S6 was better.
I think I pretty much agree with this.
The great episodes in season 7 are REALLY great, and keep the season as a whole from being as bad as a lot say to me. Parallels is one of my favourite TNG episodes period. Pegasus is up there as well.

And season 6 is really consistent as well, probably more than season 5.

Season 1 or 2? I'll watch them when I'm doing my run-throughs, but it's mostly because I know the rewards of season 3 and beyond are just around the corner.
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Old July 14 2014, 11:45 PM   #43
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I would also count Gambit as one of the show's greatest episodes but I know I'm in the minority there.

Season 7 was definitely the least consistent season.
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Old July 15 2014, 12:07 AM   #44
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Season 1 is possibly remembered a bit harshly because the first half of that season contains most of the season's worst episodes. The second half of the season is actually pretty good compared to the other seasons in terms of the good-to-bad ratio. There are still awkward moments, but as stated above, numerous production choices more than make up for those. (I'd actually argue that in the second half, only "Angel One" is really bad and the rest range from mediocre to good.)

Season 2 is kind of the same way, but in reverse. It really crashes at the end of the season after "Q Who" (due to the writers' strike?). The final six after "Q Who" basically has one good episode ("The Emissary"), one average episode ("Peak Performance"), three bad episodes, and a clip show for the finale.
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Old July 15 2014, 09:26 PM   #45
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Re: Quality declination?

Nope, TNG got better after moving out of the TOS shadow and becoming not only its own fully realized show but also the most popular trek show of all.
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