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Old July 11 2014, 09:48 PM   #16
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Re: Quality declination?

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I still enjoy TNG 3-7 - I'm picking up the BD's as they're released.

But S3 marked the start of what I refer to as "creeping blandness". The truly horrible "muzak" prevalent from late S4, over bright lighting on the ENT sets, "sterilisation" of the characters somewhat etc.
I agree. I thought Season 7 had some good episodes in it.
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Old July 12 2014, 01:02 AM   #17
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Re: Quality declination?

Sure, season 7 had fewer standout episodes, but it was still quite good nonetheless. (except Sub Rosa of course )
Some of my favorite TNG episodes are from this season: Phantasms, Parallels, Homeward, Thine Own Self (), Masks and of course All Good Things. Even Genesis is a guilty pleasure of mine.

Season 1 is almost a different show. A bit campy. Season 2 is obviously a transitional season. Are the later seasons bland? Maybe in a soap opera, talking heads kind of way.... but I prefer them because of the better stories.
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Old July 12 2014, 03:08 AM   #18
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Eh I don't know. Season 6 seems almost as good as season 3 to me... yeah it has Time's Arrow which I hate but it makes up for it with Chain of Command and Birthright. I really enjoy season 2 as well. Once it gets to season 4 it feels a little more bland but I'm not sure I'd call it a drop in quality.

So I guess I'd say it got better and better until season 4 and then 5 & 6 stay at that level. Been a while since I've seen season 7 so I can't comment on it yet.
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Old July 12 2014, 04:21 AM   #19
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I think the problem was the schedule of 26 episodes, mostly single parter, plus the development of DS9. It just too much to keep the creativity flowing. In the end the writers had to fall back into too much formulars and technobabble solutions to be on schedule for filming. TNG would have been so much better with only around 10 to 16 stories per season, containing some two to three parters, without DS9. I think even 9 high quality seasons would have come out like that.

While I dont like ENT in general, the story telling format of season 4 with lots of three parters I like very much for Star Trek. It allows to explore a story much deeper and have more variation in a season since the need for bottle shows is less (the filming set costs for a story do span over two to three episodes instead of one).
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Old July 12 2014, 06:14 PM   #20
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I think seasons three and four are the show's high point. I personally prefer S3 a bit more. Season five saw a little decline, that continued into season six. By season seven though, they were scraping the barrel, which, as Salinga points out, was probably due to many things. Creative burnout was certainly one of the reasons, but the producers were gearing up for the start of Voyager, Generations had a fixed release date, and of course DS9 was already up and running.

I find that season one treads water whilst it finds its feet, though the last third of it shows good improvement. Season two showed another improvement.
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Old July 12 2014, 08:05 PM   #21
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Seasons 3, 4 and 5 are the best seasons of the series. For the most part season one is just plain awful but things improved in season 2 but the show really took off for me in season 3. Season 6 is showing some wear and tear and season 7 is almost as bad as the first season.
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Old July 12 2014, 08:42 PM   #22
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I thought it steadily declined after season two.
I actually agree. It seemed like the show tried to deny its roots...which actually put me off by the time season 3 hit....

No Andorians, changing the look of Vulcans and Romulans, no Orions, Tellerites to mix with the new aliens that were created. Not too mention, changing the uniforms, and taking away the 'fun' and adventure aspect of Trek.

With that said, there were some few good episodes in later seasons.
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Old July 12 2014, 11:07 PM   #23
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Interesting to read that some people don't like season 3 and beyond because it wasn't like the original series. I think it's a good thing it wasn't like TOS... Honestly because TNG was better. It wasn't a TOS remake, it was TNG and a long time had passed since the original. Could the original style and feeling even be created 20 years later...
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Old July 12 2014, 11:17 PM   #24
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I have yet to see a show that doesn't decline in later seasons.
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Old July 13 2014, 12:20 AM   #25
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Interesting to read that some people don't like season 3 and beyond because it wasn't like the original series. I think it's a good thing it wasn't like TOS... Honestly because TNG was better. It wasn't a TOS remake, it was TNG and a long time had passed since the original. Could the original style and feeling even be created 20 years later...
Can't speak for anyone else, but for me the reason why Season 2 is the best is because it's a comfortable halfway house between the two extremes: very much its own thing with its own sense of character, but still TOS-like enough as well for it feel like a fit as a follow-up to the original. Season Three effectively saw it become a very different show. Many people like what it became, heck even I don't hate it, but I just prefer Seasons 1 & 2, that's all.

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I have yet to see a show that doesn't decline in later seasons.
This, very much so. No TV series yet that has lasted more than a season has ever managed to avoid the natural decay that comes with having been on the air for too long.
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Old July 13 2014, 01:11 AM   #26
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BillJ wrote: View Post
I thought it steadily declined after season two.
I actually agree. It seemed like the show tried to deny its roots...which actually put me off by the time season 3 hit....

No Andorians, changing the look of Vulcans and Romulans, no Orions, Tellerites to mix with the new aliens that were created. Not too mention, changing the uniforms, and taking away the 'fun' and adventure aspect of Trek.

With that said, there were some few good episodes in later seasons.
Early seasons had more adventure than later seasons?

I think the middle seasons are most in touch with the series roots. Season 1 was more a flat painting of the superficial aspects of the original series. The later part of the series took the spirit of the original and tweaked it to 1990s sensibilities.
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Old July 13 2014, 01:13 AM   #27
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I have yet to see a show that doesn't decline in later seasons.
One season shows?
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Old July 13 2014, 01:34 AM   #28
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BillJ wrote: View Post
I thought it steadily declined after season two.
I actually agree. It seemed like the show tried to deny its roots...which actually put me off by the time season 3 hit....

No Andorians, changing the look of Vulcans and Romulans, no Orions, Tellerites to mix with the new aliens that were created. Not too mention, changing the uniforms, and taking away the 'fun' and adventure aspect of Trek.

With that said, there were some few good episodes in later seasons.
Early seasons had more adventure than later seasons?

I think the middle seasons are most in touch with the series roots. Season 1 was more a flat painting of the superficial aspects of the original series. The later part of the series took the spirit of the original and tweaked it to 1990s sensibilities.
For me, later seasons became more talky and less adventurous...in other words, a bit boring.

Again, we never saw many of the TOS aliens due to Berman wanting to separate TNG from TOS, and the uniforms of the 1st season - again, something akin to the original series - were gone.

With all the problems I had with ENT, they did something right in bringing back Andorians, Orions, Tholians, the Gorn, Tellerites....while also showing new aliens.

As aforementioned, there are a few episodes from later seasons I do return to, but I tend to come back to Season 1 a bit more.

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Interesting to read that some people don't like season 3 and beyond because it wasn't like the original series. I think it's a good thing it wasn't like TOS... Honestly because TNG was better. It wasn't a TOS remake, it was TNG and a long time had passed since the original. Could the original style and feeling even be created 20 years later...
Interestingly, DS9 actually did acknowledge it's roots in TNG and TOS: 'Trials and Tribble-ations.' It also wasn't a TOS remake or a TNG clone; it was its own show. However, we also got a lot of action, a strong plot-line that crossed over seasons, flawed characters....as well as a serious aspect that challenged the 'Rodenberry ideal.'
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Old July 13 2014, 01:42 AM   #29
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Re: Quality declination?

JesterFace wrote: View Post
Interesting to read that some people don't like season 3 and beyond because it wasn't like the original series. I think it's a good thing it wasn't like TOS... Honestly because TNG was better. It wasn't a TOS remake, it was TNG and a long time had passed since the original. Could the original style and feeling even be created 20 years later...
It's not that I "dislike" the later seasons. It just felt like there was less of what I was looking for in them.
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I have yet to see a show that doesn't decline in later seasons.
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