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Old July 11 2014, 07:57 PM   #31
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Re: Examples of magic in the Star Trek universe?..

The transporter was magic--how could they be sure they were reassembling everyone's molecules correctly?--and I think the replicator was magic, too. I can understand how the food or beverage was materialized (and even tasted halfway correct), but I never understood how they kept the container separate from the food or drink. Obviously, magic.
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Old July 11 2014, 11:26 PM   #32
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I don't think we ever actually see magic in Trek--we see entities with great powers because the in-universe laws of physics allows them--but magic would have to come from some portal.

Q might be more powerful than a given magic user, but could predict him, or interfere with a true magick power directly. Chronicles of Riddick (Conan in Space I've heard it called)is the first space movie I have seen that looks to have real magic--like you see from C.S. Lewis' space books.

I always thought Force users were just using psionics--low level tricks Spock might master had he gone a different way--a level past Kolinahr
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Old July 12 2014, 02:13 AM   #33
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but practically the first ever magical powers we see are Charlie Evans who was 'bestowed' human.
Gary Mitchell, Where No Man has Gone Before.
If all superpowers are magic, then it starts with the Talosians.
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Old July 12 2014, 02:19 AM   #34
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They're just wizards with butt heads.
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Old July 12 2014, 03:04 AM   #35
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TUtutut, testiclheads!
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Old July 12 2014, 05:28 PM   #36
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BillJ wrote: View Post
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but practically the first ever magical powers we see are Charlie Evans who was 'bestowed' human.
Gary Mitchell, Where No Man has Gone Before.
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You could have put an 'or' in there to make it look less like you were undermining my argument by being a geek.
Geek or not, he's right. It isn't undermining your argument by correcting your example.
Well I think it does and you have just reinforced it. I didn't say 'the first', I said 'practically the first' because I'm not a geek and I was assuming I would be cut some slack to, y'know, put forward a salient argument.
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Old July 13 2014, 07:53 AM   #37
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I'm not a geek
How is this possible.
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Old July 13 2014, 12:58 PM   #38
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The transporter was magic--how could they be sure they were reassembling everyone's molecules correctly?--and I think the replicator was magic, too. I can understand how the food or beverage was materialized (and even tasted halfway correct), but I never understood how they kept the container separate from the food or drink. Obviously, magic.
The Treknobabble answer regarding the Transporter answer would be the Heisenberg Compensator.
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Old July 14 2014, 04:34 AM   #39
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Q is the Rudy Coby of godlike beings.
I have no idea what that means.



The Prophets and almost all the things associated with them.

At first it was pretty interesting, but later it practically 'jumped the shark' with magical concepts.

Stone tablets that release spirits when you do a certain chant. Ancient scrolls that blind you if you were not the one meant to read them.

Divine being vs evil being having a magic energy showdown on the station with their magical energies.

By the way, evil energy = red eyes and red energy. Good = blue eyes and blue energy.

It's some type of advanced science and you better believe it .
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Old July 14 2014, 07:53 AM   #40
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I'm talking effect, not rationale. Q snaps his fingers and makes things appear, disappear, or change. Same as Bewitched or I Dream of Jeanie.

And the advanced science rationale could just as easily cover the Force...don't make me bring up the midichlorians....
By this logic, Picard was magic in "Devil's Due."
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Old July 16 2014, 08:10 PM   #41
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Well, we were supposed to think of Sylvia and Korob as magical for a bit. Happy Halloween peeps!

Even Merlin speaking Latin and causing something to occur might simply be called advanced energy-matter manipulation. Who's to say words aren't a kind of super-high-tech key? (as some have seen with the Carrionites in Dr. Who's "The Shakespeare Code"). Clarke's third law makes as much sense in reverse as forward:

Any magic is indistinguishable from sufficiently advanced technology. Meaning that since we're used to tech being omnipresent in Trek, it's the reverse interpretation that is more often in play.
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Old July 17 2014, 12:02 AM   #42
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Well, we were supposed to think of Sylvia and Korob as magical for a bit.
But they were magical, through the power of their minds. Their technology amplified their natural abilities, but those abilities existed first.


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Old July 17 2014, 01:02 AM   #43
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Well, we were supposed to think of Sylvia and Korob as magical for a bit.
But they were magical, through the power of their minds. Their technology amplified their natural abilities, but those abilities existed first.


Me, I'd call that psionics. But I guess we might as well call it magic.
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Old July 18 2014, 06:26 PM   #44
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Psionics = magic.



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Old July 18 2014, 06:36 PM   #45
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Q is the Rudy Coby of godlike beings.
I have no idea what that means.
There will be a pop quiz at the end of the thread.
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