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The Next Generation All Good Things come to an end...but not here.

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Old July 12 2014, 12:40 AM   #31
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Re: Why does everyone hate Wesley?

Not everyone hates Wesley.

His mother adores him, and The Traveler seems to had taking a liking to him as well.
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Old July 12 2014, 12:56 AM   #32
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I was always a fan of Wesley, but then I was the same age as his character when I started watching TNG so he totally clicked for me.
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Old July 12 2014, 02:45 AM   #33
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Re: Why does everyone hate Wesley?

I never had a big problem with the character. I didn't like the early concept of him being the boy genius, but when they gave him a regular job on the ship, I liked him just fine...he was just a very green young officer at that point.

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A lot of the viewers were wesleys age and younger. He pulled them into the show.
I don't completely buy into that idea. You don't need a child character to get a child to be pulled into a show (or a teen, or whatever.) I mean, if this were true why don't all works of fiction have child/teen characters in them to pull in younger viewers?
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You don't want to be a child in that universe because you know being a child sucks and that being an adult rocks!
I totally agree. It's Batman and Robin, not Robin and Batman. When you're a kid, your impressed by the heroic figure, not by another kid.

Spock is said to have inspired some young viewers to become scientists and Spock wasn't a young science student.

Uhura didn't need to be a teenager to inspire a young Whoopi Goldberg. So of course, she identified herself to the character...but not because the age.
The reader/viewer identification character doesn't necessarily have to be the one that you want to be...just the one who's more down on your level...someone via whom the smarter, wiser character can share exposition with the reader/viewer. For a less juvenile example, see Dr. Watson.
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Old July 12 2014, 03:03 AM   #34
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Re: Why does everyone hate Wesley?

When I first got into TNG it was between seasons 6 and 7, I was 9 and watching it in syndication. I was kind of a math whiz and had hero fantasies, so of COURSE I loved Wesley. Wish fulfillment character all the way. It wasn't kids Wesley's age he appealed to, it was kids right below Wesley's age. Just like high school kids didn't like High School Musical, middle school kids did.

Wesley being brilliant wasn't the problem, so much as having the personality of a character for Full House. In a way I think that's how TV teenagers were 'supposed' to be written before the Simpsons. Sort of Beaver Cleaver 'Aww shucks' types. But if they had made Wesley more of a brilliant version of Jake Sisko he would have been more tolerable. A genius with the feelings of a believable teenager.
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Old July 12 2014, 06:27 PM   #35
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I might have made him forgetful--a bit absent minded--that would have helped humanize the character--that and having him be played by Chris Hardwick...

Of course, every time I see Talking Dead, I yell at the screen "Where's Wheaton?"
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Old July 13 2014, 04:46 AM   #36
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Seems like a good kid
He was, he just saved the ship far to much for his role.
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Old July 13 2014, 05:20 AM   #37
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The sad thing is, the writers still didn't know what to do with him in the end, with that horrible send off. Does he get a commission somewhere? No. Does he meet a girl at a deep space science facility and decide to stay behind to help further the facility with the girl of his dreams? No. He turns to energy and screws off.
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Old July 13 2014, 05:28 AM   #38
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Trekker4747 wrote: View Post
I don't completely buy into that idea. You don't need a child character to get a child to be pulled into a show (or a teen, or whatever.) I mean, if this were true why don't all works of fiction have child/teen characters in them to pull in younger viewers?!
Works of fiction that are aimed at children do. If you ever briefly check out channels like ABC Family, Nick, Disney, the child/teen actors are prominently featured, and the adult actors are supporting characters.

Consider The Big Bang Theory, all the main characters are in the age bracket of the prime age demographic (even if the actors aren't). This attracts people in the desired demographic.

With ST: Enterprise there was Trip, he was in his twenties, but seemed younger. When I was in High School he was the one people talked about, not the thirty-something Archer and fifty-something T'Pol.

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When you're a kid, your impressed by the heroic figure, not by another kid.
And if the heroic character is also young so much the better for kids.

Spiderman is perpetually late teens - early twenties. Why not have him be in his forties? In the last Superman movie, Kent as an adult was moved from his thirties/forties into his twenties. So that the people who go to fantasy films in large numbers (and go more than once) would identify with the hero on the screen

Uhura didn't need to be a teenager to inspire a young Whoopi Goldberg.
But in that case the identification was by race, so there was a link, Whoopi saw someone from her group on screen. If Uhura were white there would have been no link.

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Old July 13 2014, 05:47 AM   #39
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^Kids are going to relate to whoever they're going to relate to, regardless of age. Robert Downey Jr. is pushing 50 but kids love him as Iron Man all the same.
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Old July 13 2014, 09:32 AM   #40
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Re: Why does everyone hate Wesley?

Wesley as a character was okay, though. I really felt for him, but he was a bit too much of a pollyanna. Even at 12 years old (when I was old enough to understand what was going on, and had caught a rerun of the episode), I wasn't that damned innocent. I was closely observing the nearly naked Edo. That Wesley could completely ignore that, and being somewhat older than myself at the time, baffled me.

That being said, I had a major crush on Wil Wheaton.
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Old July 13 2014, 11:58 AM   #41
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With ST: Enterprise there was Trip, he was in his twenties, but seemed younger. When I was in High School he was the one people talked about, not the thirty-something Archer and fifty-something T'Pol.
Lol hollywood.

Trip was mid to late 30s irl.

Archer was mid to late 40s.

Its crazy that high schoolers think people in their 20s look like trip did, and people in their 30s look like Archer.

This is why 18 year olds, who would never date above 25, end up with 40 years olds lol.
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Old July 13 2014, 12:19 PM   #42
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i was a kid when i first saw the show, i hated wesley immediately. i wanted to watch captain picard being awesome, not some annoying child that was always right.
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Old July 13 2014, 03:36 PM   #43
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The sad thing is, the writers still didn't know what to do with him in the end, with that horrible send off. Does he get a commission somewhere? No. Does he meet a girl at a deep space science facility and decide to stay behind to help further the facility with the girl of his dreams? No. He turns to energy and screws off.
Yep, the fate of all characters in Star Trek; die or turn into energy. Wesley, Kes, Sisko, Jadzia, Tasha. Kirk did both (of course). Scotty managed to escape his fate of eternal energyness, but he was a miracleworker after all.
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Old July 13 2014, 05:52 PM   #44
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^I haven't realized how many times they did that.

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Old July 13 2014, 06:08 PM   #45
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Sheldon hated him (Wil) for years but things change...
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