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The Next Generation All Good Things come to an end...but not here.

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Old July 11 2014, 12:00 AM   #16
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Re: Why does everyone hate Wesley?

I was close to Wesley's age when TNG started, and I found him annoying. I blame the writers though, not Wheaton. He did the best anyone could do with awful material.
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Old July 11 2014, 12:02 AM   #17
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Re: Why does everyone hate Wesley?

I don't hate Wesley, during seasons 3 and 4 he became much better than early on and I think it was a shame he left during season 4.
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Old July 11 2014, 12:12 AM   #18
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Re: Why does everyone hate Wesley?

Charlie X was a well better written teenager than Wesley despite he was socially misadapted...

But the real reason why Wesley's so hated is because someone starts each season a topic about "Why Wesley's so hated?".
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Old July 11 2014, 12:23 AM   #19
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I don`t hate Wesley. He was written poorly. He was annoying in the beginning. And then they improved it later on in his tenure.

I also enjoy moments like this:

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Old July 11 2014, 02:35 AM   #20
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Re: Why does everyone hate Wesley?

wulfio wrote: View Post
I don`t hate Wesley. He was written poorly. He was annoying in the beginning. And then they improved it later on in his tenure.

I also enjoy moments like this:

Knew exactly what it was going to be and still laughed.
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Old July 11 2014, 02:42 AM   #21
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I don't "hate" Wesley, I'm on record as saying that he should have been differently written though.



A lot of the viewers were wesleys age and younger. He pulled them into the show.
As a kid who watched TNG, I related to his character the least.
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Old July 11 2014, 03:50 AM   #22
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Re: Why does everyone hate Wesley?

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A lot of the viewers were wesleys age and younger. He pulled them into the show.
I don't completely buy into that idea. You don't need a child character to get a child to be pulled into a show (or a teen, or whatever.) I mean, if this were true why don't all works of fiction have child/teen characters in them to pull in younger viewers?

When you were a kid and watched "Star Wars" did you really have a hard time connecting with anyone because there was no child around?

No, you wanted to BE Han Solo, Luke Skywalker, Obi Won Kenobi and save the galaxy from Darth Vader!

You don't want to be a child in that universe because you know being a child sucks and that being an adult rocks!

I think it was Season 2 when Wesley's character was treated a bit more seriously that I started liking him, when he became less of the "saves the ship/day" guy or the "puts himself/others in peril to get the story rolling" guy.

In those early episodes when he's saving the day it's absurd because here we have a ship filled with adults who represent the very best and brightest of Starfleet being upstaged by a teenager in doofy sweaters.

Once Wesley became less of this special, infallible, snowflake who must be cherished and isthe most specialist person on the ship and more of an everyday teen who was particularly adept and driven he worked better.
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Old July 11 2014, 06:03 AM   #23
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A lot of the viewers were wesleys age and younger. He pulled them into the show.
I don't completely buy into that idea. You don't need a child character to get a child to be pulled into a show (or a teen, or whatever.) I mean, if this were true why don't all works of fiction have child/teen characters in them to pull in younger viewers?
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You don't want to be a child in that universe because you know being a child sucks and that being an adult rocks!
I totally agree. It's Batman and Robin, not Robin and Batman. When you're a kid, your impressed by the heroic figure, not by another kid.

Spock is said to have inspired some young viewers to become scientists and Spock wasn't a young science student.

Uhura didn't need to be a teenager to inspire a young Whoopi Goldberg. So of course, she identified herself to the character...but not because the age.
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Old July 11 2014, 07:25 AM   #24
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Re: Why does everyone hate Wesley?

Wasn't there originally suppose to be the Picard/Riker/Wesley triad things going on. Where you basically have the same guy in different eras of his life, figuratively speaking. You have Wesley as the young smart kid thinking of going into Starfleet. You have Riker and the young tactically skilled officer that needs experience to hone his skills, and then you have Picard so is the old captain that has the skills and experience, though possibly not the body to keep up as he use to.

That ended soon after it started as the characters started to drift from their original concepts.
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Old July 11 2014, 02:38 PM   #25
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Re: Why does everyone hate Wesley?

First two and a half seasons of Wesley were pretty annoying, after that, he got a little better. First Duty was a great episode.
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Old July 11 2014, 03:04 PM   #26
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I bet some people here like the scene where Wesley is in the wrong end of a bayonet in season 1 AND would have liked if the scene where he is decapitated would have been filmed as it was originally written for 'Yesterday's Enterprise'.
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Old July 11 2014, 07:28 PM   #27
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Wesley was such an obvious plant for young viewers to fantasize about being it was hard to consider him as a character. He reminded me of the fan fictions where some young spunky female cadet helps Kirk save the day and they have a 'special moment' -

When Wesley was making mistakes and behaving more as a regular person in the later shows he became tolerable.
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Old July 11 2014, 09:54 PM   #28
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Wesley was annoying because they always seemed to have him saving the Enterprise. Didn't they think the other 1,000 crewmembers ever contributed anything?

And, true, he was smart for a youth, and he had two brilliant parents (apparently). But, what about all the scientists and engineers on the ship, who had already graduated from the Academy and may have had years of starship-duty experience?

That was what really irked me about having Wesley always know the answer.

Now, in some of the recent books, he has matured considerably, as a Traveler. But, that storyline is not yet canon.
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Old July 11 2014, 10:15 PM   #29
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I think part of the problem with Wes was how his character was written. They seemed to get a better handle on how to write for him in S3 and into S4 when they put him into uniform.
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Old July 11 2014, 10:19 PM   #30
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But, that storyline is not yet canon.
Your personal canon can be whatever you want it to be. I have my own...
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