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Old July 12 2014, 11:02 PM   #31
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I'm not a big fan of the episode, though it gets points for fooling any viewer who thought Crusher would find some way of restoring Yar. Armus' story sounds almost like a Pandora's Box myth. I thought the memorial service was twice as long as it needed to be, just to give Crosby screen time.
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Old July 13 2014, 03:59 PM   #32
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Just watched Skin of Evil last night. I didn't remember the dialog being that bad. Was all of 1st season like that or just that episode?
Cheap character death, cartoony villain. Honestly, why didn't they just call him something as er...subtle as his look/act, such as..."Mal'Evolence" (the apostrophe shoehorned into a name in typically overused TNG-ENT fashion). Poor episode in a dreary season.
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Old July 15 2014, 01:59 PM   #33
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We see Tasha doing her regular duties on the Enterprise, we see her talking with Worf about a competitive event they're both scheduled to take part in soon, we get a flavour of her friendships, the minutea of her day-to-day life, we see her being part of an away team mission that is just like any other away team mission... and then she's just suddenly and irrevocably gone. And that's what gives her death a real and very human impact.
It's an inspiring, alternate point of view. You could almost say one man's loss (departure of the character) is the other man's gain here (bold story telling).

Since TREK_GOD_1 has issues with the episode, here is one anecdote he would have even "liked" more:

When I visited the sets back in February 1988 Andrew Probert took me to the stage with the shuttle crash site and told me: "Would you believe that one of the producers originally wanted the shuttlecraft to penetrate the rock and come out intact on the other side?"

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Old July 15 2014, 02:14 PM   #34
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I watched this episode a few days ago and I wondered if it was the best idea for Picard to leave Armus (who is immortal?) in his personal hell on the planet. Wouldn't it be safer for all parties if he beamed Armus directly into the system's sun?
I'm pretty sure killing a living, sentient, being in such a manner would violate some code of ethic.

Anyway, a "meh" episode. I have no real passion for it one way or another.

I don't, however, get how her death in this episode is later referred to as being meaningless and empty. I mean, she was rushing in to try and save a fellow crew member from a hostile enemy. How is that meaningless and empty?

And, yeah, I really don't know what the makeup people were thinking with that reddish splotch on Tasha's cheek to indicate her injury. I mean, my 10-year-old niece can do better makeup effects with a $20 kit she got from Toys 'R' Us.
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Old July 15 2014, 02:21 PM   #35
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I don't, however, get how her death in this episode is later referred to as being meaningless and empty. I mean, she was rushing in to try and save a fellow crew member from a hostile enemy. How is that meaningless and empty?
Here is a qoute from Ron D. Moore from the closed thread about the Trek ship with the third letter of the alphabet:

Ron Moore: "We brought Denise back to kill off Tasha Yar a second time. It was a great opportunity to send the character off in a big heroic sacrifice because nobody was really happy with the way she left the series in the first season. Nobody on the show really liked it, the fans didn't like it, I'm not sure even she really liked it. So 'Yesterday's Enterprise' was a chance to kill her right."

David Carson (director) also stated in a 2008 interview that with "Yesterday's Enterprise" they had given her a "meaningful death" (suggesting that he didn't feel her death in "Skin of Evil" to be that "meaningful").

Here is an illustration I made regarding the "meaningful" or "meaningless" theme (sorry, forgot about her sacrifice in the alternate Q-line of "All Good Things"):



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Old July 15 2014, 07:50 PM   #36
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I liked Yar's death in "Skin of Evil" better. I like that it showed that we don't get to pick and choose how we die. "Yesterday's Enterprise" weakened the character and the show's legacy in my eyes.
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Old July 15 2014, 08:03 PM   #37
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Supposedly dying at Narendra III would have been meaningful ... if anyone outside of the audience knew about it. But, if it were left there, it would have been a much better way of going out than in Skin of Evil.

However, the retcon to have her survive in order to create Sela screwed that up and gave her a lamer death than the one from Armus.

You could also say she died yet again in All Good Things along with the rest of the 2364 Enterprise-D crew. Pretty meaningful since it helped to preserve the universe, though it was removed from time.

In conclusion, Yar just can't catch a break and is fated to have lame deaths.
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Old July 15 2014, 08:19 PM   #38
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Supposedly dying at Narendra III would have been meaningful ... if anyone outside of the audience knew about it. But, if it were left there, it would have been a much better way of going out than in Skin of Evil.
To me, the fact that none of her shipmates knew what she did for the C at Narendra made it more meaningful, not less. It hightened the selfless sacrifice angle because she would never get recognition for being a hero. She would simply have given her life willingly for a just cause.
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Old July 15 2014, 09:26 PM   #39
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True, but unfortunately spoiled in Redemption.
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Old July 15 2014, 09:35 PM   #40
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Her shipmates in the alternate universe knew what she did - for the rest of their short lives, anyway
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Old July 15 2014, 10:28 PM   #41
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I was never that taken with the Yar character. Maybe it had to do with the "Macha Hernandez" concept for the character, in which case they should have just hired Jenette Goldstein.

It seems like Gene was a little sweet on Denise though, so I guess that's how Yar got a Queen for a Day moment.
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Old July 15 2014, 11:09 PM   #42
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I'm pretty sure killing a living, sentient, being in such a manner would violate some code of ethic.
Not sure about that. Picard is a soldier - he supposedly kills enemies for a living, and warrior code today seldom requires the enemy to be given a fair chance or anything silly like that. And Armus isn't an entire alien species that would come back to bite his ass because one individual was killed (say, the Crystalline Entity or the Space Amoeba or the Dikironide Cloud) - he's a single entity that ceases to be for good when killed.

But Armus is also immune to phaser fire, and capable of manipulating most away team and shuttlecraft technology at will (heck, odds are that he crashed that shuttle in the first place!). Blasting him to nothingness might be futile, and beaming him up would be taking an awful risk with him gaining access to a starship, a stated goal for the villain.

Stranding Armus was a pretty cruel thing to do, but it was also a practical way to deal with the menace. Although since our heroes never really examined the possibility and implications of Armus having caused the shuttle crash, we are left wondering if Picard's quarantine beacons were positioned sufficiently far away from the planet...

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Old July 15 2014, 11:34 PM   #43
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One thing about the scenes with Armus that I found offputting was how most of the time with him was spent on demonstrating how he was so EEEEEEEEVIL!!! You know, I'm pretty sure the audience got the idea, very early on, rather than eating the clock with all of this underlining, extrabolding and italicising the already established fact.

... Behold how Armus harasses the blind man! Marvel at how he controls Data into pointing his phaser at everyone! Witness how Armus tries to drown Riker in his own tar pit! I mean ... there's just no story there. Then this episode takes up the entire final act with Yar's Holo-messages to every. Single. Crewmember. I enjoy this episode for some of its over-the-topness, particularly the trashbag outfit Armus is in. Beverly trying desperately to save Yar's life was touching. Things like that. But there's actually very little content to this episode.
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Old July 16 2014, 03:37 AM   #44
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I'm glad she left, because it opened the door for Michael Dorn. Then giving Levar Burton a defined role on the show made everything else fall together.
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Old July 16 2014, 08:18 AM   #45
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One thing the earlier series did (including this episode) was use the holodeck for relatively "simple" environments. They did it from time to time...but sometimes I wish they had kept this approach...



Somehow it just seemed more believable that way, more like a futuristic, interactive planetarium.
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