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Old July 10 2014, 01:42 PM   #16
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I've been thinking that this movie should have been called Rise of the Planet of the Apes while the first one should be Dawn of the Planet of the Apes.
I had the same thought. It's going to be so confusing trying to keep these movies straight. Maybe this one should've been called something like War for the Planet of the Apes.

Or Ape-ocalypse Now!


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Is there anything in particular about this film that would make it worth seeing in 3D?
If you've never seen apes in 3D, it may be something you'll want to check out.
Umm... I have been to the zoo, so I have seen apes in 3D.
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Old July 10 2014, 02:27 PM   #17
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Dawn is the kind of movie where I'll honestly be shocked when I (inevitably) see a handful of people saying that they hated it.

I loved it. Loved.
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Old July 10 2014, 02:30 PM   #18
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Umm... I have been to the zoo, so I have seen apes in 3D.
If I hadn't already made that joke, it might still be funny...

I mean, what is this, gorilla warfare?
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Old July 10 2014, 02:37 PM   #19
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I'm in Australia and just got back from seeing it. Simply put, this movie is outstanding. I'm still processing it but here are a few random thoughts about the movie:


The film is definitely The Apes story. The Ape characters are all fully realised with Koba giving Caesar a run for his money in the characterisation stakes. The motion capture is stunning and it's impossible not to become emotionally invested in the struggle of the Apes.

The humans definitely play second-fiddle to the Apes as it should be. Jason Clarke is great as Malcolm, bringing gentleness and empathy to the role. Malcolm is an example of all the best aspects of humanity and I loved his relationship with Caesar. Gary Oldman is a little under-utilised but he gives a powerful performance.

Dawn is beautiful, intense and ultimately heartbreaking. I left the cinema and spent my 30 minute walk home in deep thought about this movie and the themes that it presents. I think most will find it hard not to walk away affected by it. Science Fiction at it's finest.

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Old July 10 2014, 02:51 PM   #20
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Or Ape-ocalypse Now!
Sounds like something the Asylum would put out.
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I mean, what is this, gorilla warfare?
STOP! Stop, right there.

We're NOT going to do this.
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Old July 10 2014, 06:02 PM   #22
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STOP! Stop, right there.

We're NOT going to do this.
Sure, sure. We're all classy people who don't want the thread to degenerate into primate puns. Why, that's a gibbon.
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Old July 10 2014, 07:22 PM   #23
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Seeing this Saturday, expect it to be a real howler.
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Old July 11 2014, 07:00 AM   #24
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Just got back from seeing it and I found it surprisingly engaging. The apes were well developed as characters and looked real. The 3D added nothing though. No end credit scene either.

The outcome also wasn't what I expected.

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Old July 11 2014, 07:20 AM   #25
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I liked the movie but not as much as the first. Which was a surprise at how good it was. I saw a double screening of both last night. Maybe that is the issue. Seeing Rise again, it really was a fresh story. While Dawn does not advance things much.

Where do they go from here? The original film is thousands of years in the future. Yet other than unintelligent humans nothing major needs to happen. Basically we will see standard Post Apocalyptic action but with Apes. Which was my opinion of the end. Probably I am in the minority but the Apes shooting machine guns was less interesting than their escape from San Francisco.
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I liked the movie but not as much as the first. Which was a surprise at how good it was. I saw a double screening of both last night. Maybe that is the issue. Seeing Rise again, it really was a fresh story. While Dawn does not advance things much.

Where do they go from here? The original film is thousands of years in the future. Yet other than unintelligent humans nothing major needs to happen. Basically we will see standard Post Apocalyptic action but with Apes. Which was my opinion of the end. Probably I am in the minority but the Apes shooting machine guns was less interesting than their escape from San Francisco.
It does set up the conflict between humans and apes. Up to this point the apes have basically ignored humans, they even seem to doubt they're even still around until Charlie from Fringe gets a little too trigger happy. Now we have a bunch of scared humans, what's left of the military aware of super-intelligent and armed apes that tried to take over a colony and capture humans. The next logical step is the war where Earth needs up a nuked wasteland and humans are basically animals. They're taking it slow, showing us the steps that lead to the war and actually showing a story with actual characters instead of just having a bunch of action scenes of all out war between humans and apes.
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Old July 11 2014, 01:48 PM   #27
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NBC news did a fact v. fiction on this film Some of it is amusing especially the, 'no genitals part.'

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Never in recorded history has an ape fired a machine gun, let alone two machine guns while riding a horse through a wall of fire.
That is exactly what happens in “Dawn of the Planet of the Apes,” which hits theaters on Friday. (Warning: mild spoilers ahead). Sure, a primate doing its best "Rambo" impression isn't the most realistic scenario in the world, but not everything in the movie is bananas.



"We tried to ground everything in reality as much as possible, but there are certain things, like the fact that they can’t speak, that we had to jettison for the drama of the story," Matt Reeves, director of "Dawn of the Planet of the Apes," told NBC News.
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So which parts of the movie are based on science and which are just fantasy? Reeves and famous primatologist Frans de Waal, author of "The Bonobo and the Atheist: In Search of Humanism Among the Primates," broke it down.

Armed to the Teeth ... Also, With Teeth
In the movie, the primates are armed with everything from menacing spears to automatic rifles. A chimpanzee using a gun is far-fetched. A spear? It's actually something that chimps use — well, on a smaller scale. Instead of huge weapons meant for taking down humans, they are more like sharpened sticks meant for stabbing bush babies — tiny, adorable primates that chimpanzees love to eat.



Chimps also regularly throw things like rocks and feces, de Waal said. Their bodies, however, are probably their most potent weapon.
"Their arm strength is incredible, they have feet that act like arms and they have teeth," de Waal said. "I would say 10 men could not hold down a chimp if it did not want to be held down."
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There is a reason "Dawn of the Planet of the Apes" is rated PG-13. In the movie, the apes sit around looking stoic, weighing the costs and benefits of war. In real life, there would be a lot of monkey business going on.
The apes would be engaging in way more copulation, de Waal said, which brings up another problem: None of the primates in the movie have visible genitals.
"They are a bit like teddy bears or something," de Waal said.
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Old July 11 2014, 02:25 PM   #28
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Where do they go from here? The original film is thousands of years in the future. Yet other than unintelligent humans nothing major needs to happen.
I don't think the goal should be to end up redoing the original film. We've already got the original film. This series is going in a very different, smart direction of its own. It could be heading toward the kind of world we saw in the original film, but it doesn't have to redo the same story. That would be kind of a letdown after these films have brought such originality and freshness to the concept.
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Where do they go from here? The original film is thousands of years in the future. Yet other than unintelligent humans nothing major needs to happen.
I don't think the goal should be to end up redoing the original film. We've already got the original film. This series is going in a very different, smart direction of its own. It could be heading toward the kind of world we saw in the original film, but it doesn't have to redo the same story. That would be kind of a letdown after these films have brought such originality and freshness to the concept.
Oh, I actually agree completely. If they try to lead up to the original film they are very limited creatively.
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Dawn of the Planet of the Apes

My Grade: A-

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"Dawn" takes place 10 years after the events of the previous film, we're told via news footage over opening credits that the aerosolized Alzheimer's cure developed in the first film that turned out to have deadly contraindications to humans has spread across the world, infected, and killed off all but 1 out of every 500 people. In essence, society and everything about is gone and has fallen part and humanity is in scraps trying to survive in a new, hostile, world.

The apes in the woods outside San Francisco have fared better and thrived into pretty much a functioning civilization ruled over by Caesar, the medically/genetically enhanced ape from the previous film. Caesar operates as wise and kind leader who does not wish harm on either humans or apes but things start to go wrong one day when a group of humans has an encounter with a group of Caesar's "people" resulting in one getting shot at the hands of a human.

Caesar orders the humans to return to where they came from but the encounter sets off a series of events bringing the apes and humans to war.

The humans were walking through San Francisco's redwood forest in order to get to a hydroelectric damn in the hopes of repairing it and restore power to the city. The apes are now in the way.

The leader of the human camp wants to take a more aggressive approach to get to the damn but in the encounter with Caesar leader of the group, Michael(?) is convinced Caesar can be reasoned with. Eventually a tenuous deal is struck between the humans and apes but decenters on both sides, primarily the scarred ape from the previous film, lead to a battle between apes and humans.

Overall the film is a good, enjoyable, outing that's not quite as bogged down by the contrivances, call-backs, and, well "human stuff" from the previous film. We get a whole lot more from Caesar in this film and see that he truly does want something of a peace with the humans but his right hand man, the scarred ape who was held captive and tested on by humans in labs is far less trusting. On the other side humans seem mostly unaware of the level of intelligence the apes have achieved and what they are capable of, mostly dismissing them as pesky animals.

Andy Serkis turns in a phenomenal performance as the Mo-Cap subject for the movements and facial features of Caesar and he's probably the most likable and enjoyable character in the movie, the humans are mostly stock characters.

There's really few problems I have with this movie without getting too much into nitpicky details. Like how is electrical connectivity still possible when 10 years of tree growth, lack of maintenance and storm damage has likely disrupted power lines? How is the Golden Gate Bridge still standing and usable after going 10 years without maintenance and considering the damage it likely took over the course of the previous movie? JESUS CHRIST there's a lot of ammunition in the human enclave. I know they said it was a military base or something but, holy shit! The scarred ape seems quite adept at dual-wielding machine guns given his lack of training and experience with them. Usual gripes about the viability of gasoline in a post-apocalyptic setting. "The Walking Dead", currently about 2 years after the beginning of the end, is already in the realm of gasoline no longer being viable. After 10 years? Forget about it.

But the biggest problem of it all is what sets the whole movie off in the first place. The humans wanting to get electricity. Part of the opening news clip montage shows a satellite view of the earth (with the arcing plane paths) with the lights in the cities going out. So it's likely humanity has gone without a power grid for quite some time. So... why do we need electricity? One of the human characters says something about needing to operate radio equipment to hopefully connect with other people still alive out there but they hardly need an entire hydroelectric damn to do that when rigging up a generator powered by a bike could do it or, hell, use the gasoline that's apparently still good to power a generator.

In fact when power IS restored we see the humans partying and acting like everything is perfectly normal again.

It's a thin premise to really believe, at one point one of the human characters muses that apes will survive better since they don't need electricity for various things. I guess no one told this guy that humans haven't had electricity for basically all of our 40,000 year existence. I think Gary Oldman will survive without his iPad.

Still, very enjoyable movie and addition to this new series.
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