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Old July 20 2014, 04:59 PM   #31
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Re: Mobile Suit Gundam

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8th MS Team is a spinoff of the original Mobile Suit Gundam and in the timeline it takes place sometime during that show about midway through it I think. It was also made like two decades after the show it spins off from so it kind of assumes you already know things about Mobile Suit Gundam.
I figured it expected me to know the conflict, although I wasn't really that lost.

You may want to also watch Gundam 0080. It's 6 episodes long and takes place from the Zeon's POV. The events of 0080 take place during the final week of the war. It offers a different perspective of the Zeon's character. Really first MSG does as well. The Zeon's are fighting a war of independence against the Earth Federation, so the soldiers and officers are committed to their duties. It's the leadership of the Duchey of Zeon, the Zabi Family; specifically Gihren Zabi, who are the twisted ones. Gihren the commander of the Zeon forces who is an avatar for Adolf Hitler (even Gihren's own father uses this description for his son).

The One Year War is covered by
the original MSG (1979). The events take place from the summer of 0079 to January 0080.

08th MS Team (1995) takes place late summer to November 0079.

and 0080 War in the Pocket (1989) In the final week of the war in December 0079 to 0080 January.

In 2015 a new ova series called Gundam the Origin will cover the beginning of the One Year War and before.
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Old July 20 2014, 06:12 PM   #32
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8th MS Team is a spinoff of the original Mobile Suit Gundam and in the timeline it takes place sometime during that show about midway through it I think. It was also made like two decades after the show it spins off from so it kind of assumes you already know things about Mobile Suit Gundam.
I figured it expected me to know the conflict, although I wasn't really that lost.

The perception whether Zeon is good or bad is really a generational one. The creator of Mobile Suit Gundam, Yoshiyuki Tomino was born during WW2 and grew up in the bombed out and devastated post-War Japan. The original MSG is very much a condemnation of the rampant militarism that lead the world into a second world war (and also Vietnam). Other Gundam writers/creators of Tomino's generation are even more clear in linking the Zabis and Zeon with Japanese militarism such as having Gihren the architect of the One Year War paying homage to the Japanese samurai.

The creators and fans born in more recent years who never saw the aftermath of WW2 however have a more positive stance and view towards Zeon, which colors more recent works such as Gundam Unicorn, which seems to try to justify and remake the actions of Zeon as some sort of spacenoid rights movement that went out of control and was highjacked by the Zabis.
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Old July 20 2014, 06:38 PM   #33
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which seems to try to justify and remake the actions of Zeon as some sort of spacenoid rights movement that went out of control and was highjacked by the Zabis.
Which is a whole bunch of BS as they still go around dropping colonies on people and trying to take over the world aka the same crap they did with the Zabis in charge.

Its just now they're reconting the Earth Federation from morally grey entity into just as evil to make Zeon look less evil while ignoring that at the end of the day when the Federation went nuts about half rebelled to take out the nuts while when Zeon does horrible crap their soldiers still seem to go along with it.

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Old July 22 2014, 05:41 PM   #34
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The primary storyline in earlier Gundams is actually that of Amuro and Char IMO. Amuro's the main pilot, and Char is an Ace pilot and commander, but there's more to his story, and there's an inciddent later on in Mobile Suit Gundam which takes their rivalry to a whole new level, which continues in Z Gundam and especially Char's Counterattack.

Of course a lot of the spin-offs/sequels have had their own take on Char, most notably Zechs Marquise from Gundam Wing and Ra Lou Couset (sp?) from Gundam Seed (Haven't seen Unicorn yet).


Apart from his mask/helmet: Char's trademark, btw is that most of his suits have a red paint scheme (With exceptions such as the gold Hyaku Shiki). Hence the nickname "Red Comet"
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Old July 24 2014, 03:56 AM   #35
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Gundam Unicorn is a must see, in my opinion, although I'd advise that anyone considering it should watch the other UC stuff before it as it builds on and connects lots of previous works. It's probably my favorite Gundam thus far. It has pretty much everything that makes Gundam great for me. Also the sound mix and the music score are awesome, especially on Blu-ray.

You also can't go wrong by


For more focus on Zeon, the 3 Mobile Suit Gundam IGLOO OVAs are also something to see. It revolves around a group of Zeon engineers and test pilots developing Mobile Suits and other war machines.
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Old July 24 2014, 02:50 PM   #36
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which seems to try to justify and remake the actions of Zeon as some sort of spacenoid rights movement that went out of control and was highjacked by the Zabis.
Which is a whole bunch of BS as they still go around dropping colonies on people and trying to take over the world aka the same crap they did with the Zabis in charge.

Its just now they're reconting the Earth Federation from morally grey entity into just as evil to make Zeon look less evil while ignoring that at the end of the day when the Federation went nuts about half rebelled to take out the nuts while when Zeon does horrible crap their soldiers still seem to go along with it.

The writer for Gundam Unicorn is interesting. He is actually a right wing militarist who fully believes that transforming the Japanese Self Defense Force into a full military organization and getting rid of Article 9, the ban on war in the Japanese constitution, is equivalent to restoring the "dignity" of Japan and the Japanese people. They also blame the post-War pacifism for all the societal problems currently facing Japan.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/09/in...pagewanted=all
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