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Old July 11 2014, 08:10 PM   #16
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avoid Seed Destiny. Do Not Want!
It's not as bad as people claim it is, but it does have a lot of flaws. Watch it if you really want to see more of the SEED-verse, but don't expect greatness or pay too much for it, for that matter.
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Old July 11 2014, 08:35 PM   #17
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It's not as bad as people claim it is,
Yes it is. The fact they essentially rebooted the story twice should be evidence enough of that.

And did their best to write the main character out of it because no one liked him.
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Old July 12 2014, 09:41 PM   #18
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I would have liked to have seen more toys that weren't the mobile suits. The ships, the space colonies, shuttles/HLVs, etc.
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Old July 13 2014, 06:03 PM   #19
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The ships have been available a few times in model kit form and also as toys (mainly in the early 2000s for the latter). The mobile armors as well. Although mainly those from the UC stuff.
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Old July 13 2014, 06:39 PM   #20
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I've only seen one Gundam series, Gundam Seed, but I enjoyed it. It had some good characters (and, to be fair, a few really bad ones) and I enjoyed the story. I've been meaning to get to Seed Destiny, but I've had other priorities when it comes to TV show watching.
SEED sort of follows a lot of the story beats of the original Gundam, but with a more updated style (and a lot more Gundams!) IMO.
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Old July 13 2014, 08:23 PM   #21
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It's not as bad as people claim it is,
Yes it is. The fact they essentially rebooted the story twice should be evidence enough of that.

And did their best to write the main character out of it because no one liked him.
Don't forget the excessive recaping, all the cheapass animation, and a certain character who was most certainly dead coming back to life. Still all of that only brought it down to the mediocre range for me. It was still watchable because of the characters, action and the storyline.

It's not even the worst Gundam in my opinion. That would fall to SD Gundam Force. I also couldn't get into Gundam AGE either.
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Old July 13 2014, 10:16 PM   #22
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I remember Gundam X sort of flopped, it had an interesting concept- a post-apocalyptic Gundam that was sort of a what if? to the original UC timeline (With newtypes and suits that closely resembled UC versions although the Gundams themselves were still similar to those from G Gundam and Wing)-but didn't really get good ratings, was cut short and made the franchise semi-dormant for a while. In a few ways it was kind of Gundam's Enterprise, and like that series it's sort of being re-evaluated lately as well, at least by some and getting a manga series and some new models....
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Old July 13 2014, 10:28 PM   #23
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I remember Gundam X sort of flopped, it had an interesting concept- a post-apocalyptic Gundam that was sort of a what if? to the original UC timeline (With newtypes and suits that closely resembled UC versions although the Gundams themselves were still similar to those from G Gundam and Wing)-but didn't really get good ratings, was cut short and made the franchise semi-dormant for a while. In a few ways it was kind of Gundam's Enterprise, and like that series it's sort of being re-evaluated lately as well, at least by some and getting a manga series and some new models....
Yeah, that one seemed to have some issues but it did end up concluding rather nicely. I liked it, but I don't remember much about it.

Gundam F91 had something similar happen. It was supposed to be a new series, but ended up getting turned into a compressed movie. I really would have liked to see what it would have been like if it was expanded upon.
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Old July 13 2014, 10:34 PM   #24
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i really liked Gundam X. its a shame it was cut short, as it was just getting really interesting by the time they made it to space.

same with F91. you can see where some of the characters could have been expanded and the story stretched out had it been a series.
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Old July 13 2014, 10:43 PM   #25
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Turn A is probably my favorite (i know, i'm weird.)

I like the original universe stuff too.

seed ok, destiny not, never got into 00.

with Age it feels to me like they should've gone for a comedic, parody version of the average gundam series. (though nadesico basically did that years ago)
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Old July 13 2014, 10:51 PM   #26
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I think Gundam X got shafted because it followed the insanely popular Gundam Wing. Gundam X was the 96 series and Wing the 95 series. Wing was given a movie in 97 after Gundam X was cancelled. Wing was just that popular I guess. With the proceeding Gundams being G in 94 and Victory in 93. G Gundam a lot of people saw as a parody of the Gundam franchise with too many shonen tropes added. Victory Gundam also wasn't very popular. Granted Victory earned it's reputation by being joyless, mean spirited and not very memorable. I really think Tomino was out to kill the franchise with Victory Gundam.


F91 was supposed to be a full series; 50 episodes. But creative differences among the production team and problems with Sunrise are what caused F91 to cut down before it even got started. The movie of F91 is composed of ideas from the first 13 episodes of the show compiled in to a 2 hour movie. It suffers badly. The alleged creative differences among the production crew stem from how they were to handle the Crossbone Vanguard and the conflict. The Crossbone Vanguard as presented in the film teeter between aristocratic family like Zeon, and space pirates who just take what they want from other colonies. It's all iffy.
F91 also had to compete with Gundam 0083 which was released 2 months after F91. 0083 was a 13 episode OVA which served as a prequel to the classic series Zeta Gundam (one of the most popular).

Timeline wise, everything after Unicorn (UC 0096); F91 (0123), Victory (0153) and G-Savior (0223) range from ok to terrible.
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Old July 20 2014, 03:46 AM   #27
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The gundam talk got me to watch some more stuff. I decided to try 08th MS Team, because it seems well liked and its only 12 episodes. I watched the first episode, and I liked it. I have no idea why the Federation and Zeon are fighting (they don't explain it in the first episode), but its not a huge deal. White with red/blue gundams = good, green cyclops gundam = bad . I liked the main character (Shiro), the gundam pilot, and the female zeon pilot Shiro meets. The guy writing the letter was a bit annoying, but nothing too bad. Overall, I liked it, and I intend to watch all of it.
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Old July 20 2014, 09:45 AM   #28
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The gundam talk got me to watch some more stuff. I decided to try 08th MS Team, because it seems well liked and its only 12 episodes. I watched the first episode, and I liked it. I have no idea why the Federation and Zeon are fighting (they don't explain it in the first episode), but its not a huge deal. White with red/blue gundams = good, green cyclops gundam = bad . I liked the main character (Shiro), the gundam pilot, and the female zeon pilot Shiro meets. The guy writing the letter was a bit annoying, but nothing too bad. Overall, I liked it, and I intend to watch all of it.
8th MS Team is a spinoff of the original Mobile Suit Gundam and in the timeline it takes place sometime during that show about midway through it I think. It was also made like two decades after the show it spins off from so it kind of assumes you already know things about Mobile Suit Gundam.
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Old July 20 2014, 11:25 AM   #29
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The Cyclops suit is called the Zaku II. (There also is a Zaku I but it's not as 'iconic' and is outdated by the start of Gundam). The black and purple Zaku in the first ep is a partial prototype for another mobile suit, the "Dom" which appears later in the series. (Zakus and Doms also appear in Gundam Seed Destiny, although with a slightly different design). Zeon also has a powerful ground unit called the Gouf, which appears later in the series (and also memorably in the original Gundam and Seed Destiny).

The Gundams seen in the series are a mass production model as noted called the Gundam Ground Type. There also is a less powerful mass production suit known as the GM (analogous to the "Dagger" in Gundam Seed).
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Old July 20 2014, 04:21 PM   #30
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8th MS Team is a spinoff of the original Mobile Suit Gundam and in the timeline it takes place sometime during that show about midway through it I think. It was also made like two decades after the show it spins off from so it kind of assumes you already know things about Mobile Suit Gundam.
I figured it expected me to know the conflict, although I wasn't really that lost.

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