RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 146,466
Posts: 5,772,162
Members: 25,961
Currently online: 429
Newest member: rbb

TrekToday headlines

Working Star Trek Communicator
By: T'Bonz on Jul 7

Deep Space Nine Coins Debut
By: T'Bonz on Jul 7

Two New Star Trek Comics
By: T'Bonz on Jul 7

Elba: Trek’s New Villain
By: T'Bonz on Jul 7

Deep Space Nine Frisbee
By: T'Bonz on Jul 6

Star Trek Attack Wing Wave 16
By: T'Bonz on Jul 6

Best of Both Worlds: The Daring Cliffhanger
By: T'Bonz on Jul 6

Trekonomics Book
By: T'Bonz on Jul 3

Shore Leave 37 Convention
By: T'Bonz on Jul 3

Two New ThinkGeek Trek-themed Items
By: T'Bonz on Jul 2


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Entertainment & Interests > Science Fiction & Fantasy

Science Fiction & Fantasy All your nerd stuff goes here.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old July 18 2014, 06:21 AM   #46
Janeway's Girl
Fleet Captain
 
Janeway's Girl's Avatar
 
Location: Still hurting but back in the TARDIS
Re: Hercules/Xena (Spoilers)

Xena is my favourite show! She and Gabrielle were the sweetest couple. And who can forget Joxer, Autolycus, Ares, Aphrodite, and Minya! Such great characters.
Janeway's Girl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 18 2014, 02:54 PM   #47
OmahaStar
Disrespectful of his betters
 
OmahaStar's Avatar
 
Location: OmahaStar
View OmahaStar's Twitter Profile Send a message via Windows Live Messenger to OmahaStar Send a message via Yahoo to OmahaStar
Re: Hercules/Xena (Spoilers)

kirk55555 wrote: View Post
Dreamworker (Xena) - This was really bad. Gabrielle was insufferable most of the time, and Xena's dream segments were pretty predictable. It also felt like it was hammering in the idea of Gabrielle not fighting way too hard. I spent a good portion of the episode wishing Xena would just give Gabrielle over to the dream god
I hope I'm not giving anything major away here. Gabrielle does start off as the "annoying tagalong teenager" (a description I remember seeing in other reviews), but grows remarkably as a character.

The first season is absolutely the worst for her. Xena's story, as you've seen so far, is one of redemption. She started out (on screen) as this evil warlord, and is trying to change, to atone for her wicked ways. In much the same way, Gabrielle goes through her own changes.

It will take time, but the payoff is absolutely worth it. The only downside is that after watching the later episodes, it's almost painful to go back and rewatch the early episodes where she is such a whiny one-dimensional character.

She gets better.

You have already seen the actress. She was in one of the Hercules movies, playing another character. So, you've already seen that she does have some range. As with the character, the actress gets better over time too.
__________________
"Sorry. Wrong movie, buddy."
OmahaStar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 18 2014, 06:03 PM   #48
kirk55555
Commodore
 
kirk55555's Avatar
 
Re: Hercules/Xena (Spoilers)

OmahaStar wrote: View Post

She gets better.

You have already seen the actress. She was in one of the Hercules movies, playing another character. So, you've already seen that she does have some range. As with the character, the actress gets better over time too.
I'm hoping she gets better. But, I should say that I knew Renee O'Connor was in a hercules tV movie. She was Deianeira (but not the one who marries Hercules, I have no idea why they used the name) in Hercules and the Lost Kingdom, which wasn't very good. I hated her there too, and thinking about it she was basically just playing Gabrielle under a different name. She was a stubborn, annoying sidekick who was basically useless and got in the way. By the end of the movie, I was cheering for Hera to take her

I'm not anywhere close to giving up on the show. I like Xena, and I'll cling to hope that Gabrielle gets better. A lot of shows have rough first seasons, so right now I just consider Gabrielle one of the things that will hopefully grow a bit as the show goes on.
kirk55555 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 18 2014, 07:28 PM   #49
JanewayRulz!
Vice Admiral
 
JanewayRulz!'s Avatar
 
Location: North America
Re: Hercules/Xena (Spoilers)

Actually both Lucy and Renee played other characters in the Hercules telemovies before Xena:WP was even planned. It was one of the reasons why TPTB didn't want Lucy in the first place since she had "just" been seen as another character.

Not every one loves Gabrielle, but those of us who do are quite boisterous in our praise of the character.

I actually like the season 1's annoying tagalong version because it shows just how far her character has jouneyed from the pilot to the finale.
__________________
"But life is a battle: may we all be enabled to fight it well!" Charlotte Bronte

Last edited by JanewayRulz!; July 19 2014 at 05:59 AM.
JanewayRulz! is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 18 2014, 08:15 PM   #50
Forbin
Admiral
 
Forbin's Avatar
 
Location: I said out, dammit!
Re: Hercules/Xena (Spoilers)

Not only a fine actress, but I was especially impressed with Renee's obvious devotion to becoming as good a martial artist as she could for the role in later seasons.
Forbin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 19 2014, 04:04 AM   #51
kirk55555
Commodore
 
kirk55555's Avatar
 
Re: Hercules/Xena (Spoilers)

All That Glitters (Hercules) - This wasn't very good. I liked seeing Salmoneus, but all the casino stuff wasn't very original and the whole story was predictable. Not bad, but for an episode with King Midas owning casino I expected something a bit more interesting.
kirk55555 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 19 2014, 08:39 PM   #52
wulfio
Captain
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
Re: Hercules/Xena (Spoilers)

I think xena and callisto would have made a more intriguing show than xena and gabrielle.
wulfio is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 20 2014, 01:51 AM   #53
kirk55555
Commodore
 
kirk55555's Avatar
 
Re: Hercules/Xena (Spoilers)

The Path Not Taken (Xena) - This was a decent episode. In order to save a kidnapped princess, Xena has to pretend to be her old evil self to infiltrate the weapons dealer that stole the princess. The stuff with Xena pretending to be bad was interesting, and Gabrielle barely got any screen time, which was nice. Her former love interest was a decent character. Overall, this was ok.

What's In a Name (Hercules) - This was a good episode. Hercules had Iolaus go to find an imposter who has been using hercules's name, and it turns out its Hercules's half brother Iphicles. The stuff between Iphicles and his love interest was pretty standard, but the episode was still entertaining. The CG lizard Hercules fights looked better than the CG dog he fought. I also liked the character of Iphicles, Hercules having a half brother from his mother is interesting.
kirk55555 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 21 2014, 03:41 PM   #54
kirk55555
Commodore
 
kirk55555's Avatar
 
Re: Hercules/Xena (Spoilers)

Siege at Naxos (Hercules) - This was a pretty good episode. Hercules and Iolaus have to get a captured barbarian named Goth to Athens to stand trial, but his brother and his gang trap them in an old fort. The fight at the fort was pretty good. The only real flaw was having a woman they meet at the fort coincidentally be the warlord's old girlfriend, who temporarily sides with him until she realises he's completely evil. Overall, this was an entertaining episode.

Outcast (Hercules) - We see the surviving centaur from season 1 again, along with his wife and kid getting harrased by people (his wife gets killed by them in the very beginning). I liked how Hercules and Salmoneus joke that the wife, Lyla, looks like Xena, because they're both played by Lucy Lawless. The episode itself was ok, with the anti-centaur people being defeated. The ending was complete BS. Zeus (who we don't see) just brings Lyla back to life, and to make sure the whole show isn't undermined, Hercules says a line about Zeus being able to fix the evil of man, but not gods, to exp,lain why Lyla can be brought back by Zeus, but not his family. That doesn't explain why he can't bring back Hercules's family (why would Hera killing people be different than a human killing someone?), and it just seemed like a cop out ending anyway. Still, the episode was ok.
kirk55555 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 21 2014, 08:18 PM   #55
Liet
Rear Admiral
 
Liet's Avatar
 
Location: New York, NY
Re: Hercules/Xena (Spoilers)

Forbin wrote: View Post
I watched them both in the day. Xena eventually became this alternately brilliant, alternately ridiculous, tour de force where a show could be some of the most dramatic, heart-wrenching, mind-boggling, daring arc-based adult drama you've ever seen, and the following week be the silliest, lamest over-the-top sophomoric comedy ever.

Herc was always just kinda dumb, sometimes stupid, occasionally childish, rarely anything that made you think. Unless it was a crossover with Xena's Callisto or Hope arcs, which were downright dire.

Can ya tell I preferred Xena? I highly recommend it for serious fantasy fans. And lesbians.
I couldn't agree with this more. Xena was the far superior show. Infinitely better lead acting, and just better storytelling overall. I rewatched Xena a couple of years ago and was surprised by how well it stands up; I then tried to rewatch Hercules but quickly gave up on everything that wasn't a cross-over.
__________________
"Having an argument is about more than winning. If you're just trying to score points in an online debate, stick with bad arguments. But by striving for better arguments and better understanding of the issues, we get closer to reaching a solution."
Liet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 22 2014, 01:39 AM   #56
wulfio
Captain
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
Re: Hercules/Xena (Spoilers)

Liet wrote: View Post
Forbin wrote: View Post
I watched them both in the day. Xena eventually became this alternately brilliant, alternately ridiculous, tour de force where a show could be some of the most dramatic, heart-wrenching, mind-boggling, daring arc-based adult drama you've ever seen, and the following week be the silliest, lamest over-the-top sophomoric comedy ever.

Herc was always just kinda dumb, sometimes stupid, occasionally childish, rarely anything that made you think. Unless it was a crossover with Xena's Callisto or Hope arcs, which were downright dire.

Can ya tell I preferred Xena? I highly recommend it for serious fantasy fans. And lesbians.
I couldn't agree with this more. Xena was the far superior show. Infinitely better lead acting, and just better storytelling overall. I rewatched Xena a couple of years ago and was surprised by how well it stands up; I then tried to rewatch Hercules but quickly gave up on everything that wasn't a cross-over.
if you watch Hercules ironically, it's fantastic. The crappy fight choreo, the colour of life moments, and the after school special lessons. It's a barrel of laughs.
wulfio is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 22 2014, 02:30 AM   #57
Kelthaz
Rear Admiral
 
Kelthaz's Avatar
 
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Re: Hercules/Xena (Spoilers)

Hercules was 66% cheesy fun and 33% quality drama.
Xena was 33% cheesy fun and 66% quality drama.

Hercules had fewer quality dramatic episodes than Xena, but the ones they did have were just as good. Hercules Season 5 is a great example of the show truly embracing the darker stories that made Xena so much more popular. Season 6 was also supposed to be another very dark season, but Kevin Sorbo decided to call it quits. The show was finally realizing it's potential, and then it ended. What a shame.
__________________
"Who are you?! And how did you get in here?!"

"I'm the locksmith. And... I'm the locksmith."
Kelthaz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 22 2014, 02:50 AM   #58
JD
Admiral
 
JD's Avatar
 
Location: Arizona, USA
Re: Hercules/Xena (Spoilers)

I'm even more curious to check out Xena after hearing it is actually darker and more dramatic than Hercules.
__________________
They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it is not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance. - Terry Pratchett, Equal Rites
JD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 22 2014, 03:52 AM   #59
JanewayRulz!
Vice Admiral
 
JanewayRulz!'s Avatar
 
Location: North America
Re: Hercules/Xena (Spoilers)

JD wrote: View Post
I'm even more curious to check out Xena after hearing it is actually darker and more dramatic than Hercules.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpzhZ-bES2o

__________________
"But life is a battle: may we all be enabled to fight it well!" Charlotte Bronte
JanewayRulz! is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 22 2014, 12:43 PM   #60
Forbin
Admiral
 
Forbin's Avatar
 
Location: I said out, dammit!
Re: Hercules/Xena (Spoilers)

I made my own boxed set of the Callisto and Hope arcs (they intersect at some points), including both the Xena and Herc eps in the storyline. Burned the episodes onto DVDs and made a nice little set. Someday I'll actually watch it. I think it totaled 20 episodes.
Forbin is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 09:10 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.