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Old August 20 2014, 06:06 PM   #136
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Next thing you know, Xena will be revealed to actually be Mary from the Bible, Gabrielle will go back and time to become Xena's grandmother and Callisto will kill Zeus and take his place
I can safely say that none of these three things happen.
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Old August 20 2014, 08:24 PM   #137
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Well, I should point out that, after browsing the xena wiki, I accidentally found out about Eve, which is why I made the crack about Xena being revealed as another woman famous for having a baby without having sex. I don't feel bad about the spoiler because I don't intend to go past Season 4 of Xena (and that's assuming I get that far), so Season 5 and 6 spoilers don't bug me. I'm not super spoilered for those seasons, or the show in general after season 1, but I know Xena has a kid that she didn't get by having sex, so one of those things kind of happens, from a certain point of view

Back to episodes I've watched,

Death Mask (Xena) - Thiswas mediocre. It was interesting to see Xena's brother, but the confrontation with the warlord who attacked Xena's village was lame and didn't have a satisfying conclusion.

Is There a Doctor in the House (Xena) - This was ok, but nothing special. There is a war, Xena helps in a hospital, the general on one of the sides of the war learns a lesson and the war ends. They tease Gabrielle dying, but she was obviously going to survive, so there was no tension.

So, overall Xena - Warrior Princess Season 1 was a mixed bag. The main character is usually great, and by the end of the season Gabrielle was downright tolerable. But, the writing is really a mixed bag, and when its bad it's really bad. Its not anywhere near as good as Hercules's first season, but it wasn't bad, it just didn't live up to the potential it has. My favorite episode was probably either Prometheus or The Royal Couple of Thieves, with an honorable mention to The Black Wolf.My most hated episode is probably The Reckoning, with dishonorable mentions toCallisto, Altared States and Dreamworker.

Also, in case anyone is wondering, I do still have probably 3/4ths of Hercules Season 2 to watch. I'm just saving it up, because I figure I'll need a break from Xena if season 2 starts off as mediocre as season 1 ended.
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Old August 20 2014, 08:30 PM   #138
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Well, I should point out that, after browsing the xena wiki, I accidentally found out about Eve, which is why I made the crack about Xena being revealed as another woman famous for having a baby without having sex. I don't feel bad about the spoiler because I don't intend to go past Season 4 of Xena (and that's assuming I get that far), so Season 5 and 6 spoilers don't bug me. I'm not super spoilered for those seasons, or the show in general after season 1, but I know Xena has a kid that she didn't get by having sex, so one of those things kind of happens, from a certain point of view
Please consider this: Lucy Lawless was pregnant in RL, so they had to write the pregnancy into the series. While I don't know why they wrote it the way they did, I suspect at least part of the reason was so they wouldn't have to come up with a story and accompanying male character to explain who the father was, and when the baby was conceived.
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Old August 20 2014, 08:37 PM   #139
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Well, I can understand that. But, I don't think they needed to make the baby a recurring character. Just say she got drunk and slept with Ares, and then gives the baby away to hid it from him.

It doesn't really matter, though. I'll never see the episode, so as far as I'm concerned I'll never have to deal if Eve, or anything after Season 4 (or possibly earlier if the show just becomes too horrible to watch in the next two seasons, I'm hoping it actually gets better but it could go either way at this point).
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Old August 20 2014, 11:50 PM   #140
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Well, I can understand that. But, I don't think they needed to make the baby a recurring character. Just say she got drunk and slept with Ares, and then gives the baby away to hid it from him.
All of that would be profoundly out of character for Xena, and Ares is a god - there's nowhere to hide a baby from him!

Do you feel this way about babies in general (as characters) or just on Xena?
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Old August 21 2014, 03:34 AM   #141
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Well, I can understand that. But, I don't think they needed to make the baby a recurring character. Just say she got drunk and slept with Ares, and then gives the baby away to hid it from him.
All of that would be profoundly out of character for Xena, and Ares is a god - there's nowhere to hide a baby from him!

Do you feel this way about babies in general (as characters) or just on Xena?
Well, I don't watch much with babies in it. I thought the babies worked decently for Chief O'brien and his wife on DS9, so I'm not against the idea, although I'd never want babies as a consistant character on a show. I can see how it was a hard problem for Xena's writers to solve. With the way the show works, they either had to not film for most of a year, or hand wave it away.

That said, they didn't need to make her real life pregnancy into an idiotic story idea. Xena getting pregnant because of Ares still makes more sense than that jerk Callisto using the Force to grow a magic baby inside Xena that she doesn't even end up raising, which just grows up to be Callisto mark 2 Heck, just saying Xena was getting fat because she ticked off a god would be better than Eve from what I read. Or, maybe Ares made her magically pregnant (if callisto can do it, ares can), then tries to steal the baby, but Xena manages to hide it from him, never to be talked about again. Still, like I said, it doesn't matter. I'll never see it, so as far as I'm concerned it never happens.
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Old August 21 2014, 05:31 AM   #142
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Well, I can understand that. But, I don't think they needed to make the baby a recurring character. Just say she got drunk and slept with Ares, and then gives the baby away to hid it from him.
All of that would be profoundly out of character for Xena, and Ares is a god - there's nowhere to hide a baby from him!

Do you feel this way about babies in general (as characters) or just on Xena?
Well, I don't watch much with babies in it. I thought the babies worked decently for Chief O'brien and his wife on DS9, so I'm not against the idea, although I'd never want babies as a consistant character on a show. I can see how it was a hard problem for Xena's writers to solve. With the way the show works, they either had to not film for most of a year, or hand wave it away.

That said, they didn't need to make her real life pregnancy into an idiotic story idea. Xena getting pregnant because of Ares still makes more sense than that jerk Callisto using the Force to grow a magic baby inside Xena that she doesn't even end up raising, which just grows up to be Callisto mark 2 Heck, just saying Xena was getting fat because she ticked off a god would be better than Eve from what I read. Or, maybe Ares made her magically pregnant (if callisto can do it, ares can), then tries to steal the baby, but Xena manages to hide it from him, never to be talked about again. Still, like I said, it doesn't matter. I'll never see it, so as far as I'm concerned it never happens.
Well, I dislike Eve too, but for different reasons. However, I've actually seen the episodes, so I can confidently say that you would be denying yourself a good viewing experience.
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Old August 21 2014, 06:13 AM   #143
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If you're talking about Callisto episodes, then you underestimate how much I hate her. The actress/performance comes off like she should be playing a paris hilton-like character (a spoiled rich girl who'd be trying to kill Xena because she's bored), and I think even the average child actors are more threatening than her. If you're talking about me not watching Seasons 5 and 6, the popular opinion on them that I've seen online seems to be that they're pretty bad, especially the last season, which is why (combined with learning about Eve) I decided that, if I make it to season 4 of Xena, I'll stop there.
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Old August 21 2014, 07:09 AM   #144
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If you're talking about Callisto episodes, then you underestimate how much I hate her. The actress/performance comes off like she should be playing a paris hilton-like character (a spoiled rich girl who'd be trying to kill Xena because she's bored), and I think even the average child actors are more threatening than her. If you're talking about me not watching Seasons 5 and 6, the popular opinion on them that I've seen online seems to be that they're pretty bad, especially the last season, which is why (combined with learning about Eve) I decided that, if I make it to season 4 of Xena, I'll stop there.
I've always preferred to make up my own mind and not let others' negative reviews make up my mind for me, but it's your loss. Callisto goes through an amazing number of changes throughout the series, and she's one of those characters people love to hate - in the sense of a good villain. She's not evil merely for the sake of being evil; she does have motives that are understandable, twisted though they are.

And since you dislike Gabrielle, wouldn't you like to see Callisto and Gabrielle going after each other?
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Old August 21 2014, 04:48 PM   #145
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Well, Gabrielle was tolerable by the end of Season 1. I'm hopeful she may become a character I outright like at this rate

As for Callisto, I like the idea behind the character (one of Xena's victims becomes a villain), but she's too crazy, so she gets none of the sympathy the character needs. Also, she was really, really miscast, so as a villain she's not the least bit threatening. With a better actress and writing she could have been very good, but the actress would fit better with a spoiled brat character (which is how she seems to be playing callisto personality wise, with a bit of second rate Joker mixed in) and does nothing but tick me off. Like I said, I've give her second episode about 10 minutes to give me a reason to keep watching, but that's it.

Now, back to episodes I've watched

Cast A Giant Shadow (Hercules) - This was a great episode, and a follow up to Mother of All Monsters. Hercules frees a very friendly giant, who turns out to be the husband of Echidna. Hera had trapped him so that his wife and kids would basically start causing terror. The episode was very entertaining, with Ioalus having a great chase/escape scene and the giant being an interesting character.
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Cast A Giant Shadow (Hercules) - This was a great episode, and a follow up to Mother of All Monsters. Hercules frees a very friendly giant, who turns out to be the husband of Echidna.
Every time that giant is on screen, I'm hoping the characters break out into a bit of "Day-O!"

Weirder things have happened on that show!
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Old August 21 2014, 09:01 PM   #147
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I don't want to spoil it, but there's a Callisto ep of Hercules where she discovers something about that day that Xena killed her family that just... I can't believe they did it. It takes a lot to shock me, but... wow.
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Old August 22 2014, 05:14 PM   #148
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They are both nice shows, as long as you don't take them seriously. Being Greek and a fan of our mythology, at first they seemed kind of ridiculous to me with all these inaccuracies. However, I liked Xena's character and I ended up enjoying that show a lot (until the last seasons where the show was "stretched" a lot). Hercules was OK too, but not as good.
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Old August 26 2014, 04:12 AM   #149
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Orphan of War (Xena) - This is the first episode of the second season, and its very good. Xena returns to a village of people/Centaur she had fought in the past, to stop a bad guy from getting a gem that would give him mystical power. while there, we learn that Xena had a son, who she left in the village as a baby. The episode was done well, and the child actor wasn't annoying. Lawless put in an especially good performance, and they did a good job pulling off the emotional aspects of the episode. Overall, it was a great way to start the season.
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Old August 26 2014, 02:59 PM   #150
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Just a suggestion here. Kirk55555 doesnt like Callisto but is willing to watch first 10 minutes of her next epsiode to see if she gets any better but others have already stated that she wont really be any different in the next episode because her character development is slow going accross many episodes.

How about instead people suggest which Callisto episode she starts to noticably change in and become complex villain and Kirk55555 can just skip the callisto episodes til then and watch first 10 minutes of the suggested episode.

That way Kirk55555 wouldnt waste time watching 10 mins of an epsiode where Callisto is no different and might fidn her more to their liking and be inclined to watching more Callisto episodes. This is only a suggestion.
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