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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old July 10 2014, 11:07 PM   #16
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Re: TWOK: when was the "II" added?

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1982 was a long time ago. I simply don't remember.
I do (well, sort of, I was ONLY 12 back then!). The original theatrical run did not have the II, but the first video release tw or three years later (when I saw the movie for the second time), did.
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Old July 11 2014, 02:10 AM   #17
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On a similar note, I swear that when I originally saw TWOK in the theater, prior to Enterprise firing the ventral port phasers in the nebula battle (right after Reliant blasts the torpedo bay), that Kirk said something like "Phaser Bank Two, FIRE!", but in the home video versions, it's just "FIRE!"

Mostly because I thought remembered the bank being numbered in such a way that I couldn't quite reconcile (i.e. being numbered "one" or "three" would have made more sense to me). Maybe I'm mixing it up with something in the novelization or something, or perhaps just too much LDS.
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Old July 11 2014, 03:52 AM   #18
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Re: TWOK: when was the "II" added?

Opening night, Chicago, 1982: we had Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan on our screens

We also had Spock saying: "to go boldly where no ONE has gone before."
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Old July 11 2014, 04:01 AM   #19
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Re: TWOK: when was the "II" added?

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Opening night, Chicago, 1982: we had Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan on our screens
Oh, yeah?
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Old July 11 2014, 05:53 AM   #20
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Re: TWOK: when was the "II" added?

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Opening night, Chicago, 1982: we had Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan on our screens
Oh, yeah?
I understand that some people who are old enough to know better are nonetheless certain that the original release of Star Wars (which remained in some theaters continuously for more than a year) included the "Episode IV: A New Hope" title.
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Old July 11 2014, 06:23 AM   #21
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Re: TWOK: when was the "II" added?

This has been discussed previously. I found my post from that last conversation, which also includes a link to a post from SIX years ago, when IndySolo and I went to see TWOK in 70mm (and the title had no "II" in it):

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I've seen prints where it's just "STAR TREK: THE WRATH OF KHAN." Too, there's promotional artwork and images that did not have the "II" yet.
Wow. I have NEVER seen that before. Are there any pictures online?












More importantly: here's the thread from five years ago when IndySolo and I went to see TWOK in 70mm, where he confirms that no, there was no "II" in the title at the beginning:

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=77733
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Old July 11 2014, 03:39 PM   #22
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Re: TWOK: when was the "II" added?

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We also had Spock saying: "to go boldly where no ONE has gone before."
When we did the soundtrack album reissue 5 years ago we had the recording sessions for that. Your memory is incorrect.

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Old July 11 2014, 09:43 PM   #23
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Re: TWOK: when was the "II" added?

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We also had Spock saying: "to go boldly where no ONE has gone before."
When we did the soundtrack album reissue 5 years ago we had the recording sessions for that. Your memory is incorrect.

Neil
I knew that the Nimoy narration at the end wouldn't have been different! For one, the split infinitive has never been corrected, and the change from "man" to "one" would still be 5 years off before the airing of TNG changed that part of it.
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Old July 12 2014, 12:06 AM   #24
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Re: TWOK: when was the "II" added?

I always remember it having the "II" in the title. But that was thirty-plus years ago and I was twelve.
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Old July 12 2014, 02:57 AM   #25
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For one, the split infinitive has never been corrected...
Doesn't need to be. The incorrectness of the "split" infinitive is a myth dating back only to the mid-19th century. It's just something that was rarely used in Modern English but not formally prohibited (after being more commonly used in Middle English), but then started to become more common in the 18th-19th century, and traditionalists' distaste for the shift in usage eventually got codified as a manufactured prohibition. Even the term "split infinitive" wasn't coined until 1897. And most modern style guides are okay with split infinitives; even those that advise against them don't actually call them incorrect, just not stylistically preferable. The general consensus is that it's fine if the sentence is clearer or more elegant with a split than without one. And "To boldly go" is definitely clearer and more elegant (or at least more iambic) than "Boldly to go" or "To go boldly."
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Old August 7 2014, 04:18 AM   #26
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For one, the split infinitive has never been corrected...
Doesn't need to be. The incorrectness of the "split" infinitive is a myth dating back only to the mid-19th century. It's just something that was rarely used in Modern English but not formally prohibited (after being more commonly used in Middle English), but then started to become more common in the 18th-19th century, and traditionalists' distaste for the shift in usage eventually got codified as a manufactured prohibition. Even the term "split infinitive" wasn't coined until 1897. And most modern style guides are okay with split infinitives; even those that advise against them don't actually call them incorrect, just not stylistically preferable. The general consensus is that it's fine if the sentence is clearer or more elegant with a split than without one. And "To boldly go" is definitely clearer and more elegant (or at least more iambic) than "Boldly to go" or "To go boldly."
Yes, there's nothing inherently wrong with splitting an infinitive. A "to" is no more a part of the verb than a "the" is part of a noun. Inserting an adverb between the "to" and verb is no more wrong than placing an adjective between "the" and a noun. We don't call such constructions as "the good fight" or "the lost cause" split nominatives.

Early on, grammarians deferred to Latin, thought to be the most elevated of languages, when deciding on what to do and what not to do in elevated English. Since it isn't possible to split infinitives in Latin, then, they reasoned, it should be avoided in English. The main problem with that thinking is that English isn't Latin.

A writer may want to avoid splitting infinitives because it places emphasis on the adverb instead of the verb. But that could be exactly why a writer would want to do it.
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Old August 7 2014, 04:27 AM   #27
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Re: TWOK: when was the "II" added?

I missed this thread when it was apparently really going last month, but I did want to say that however they fiddle around with stuff after the initial theatrical release, as far as I'm concerned, Khan shot first.
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Old August 7 2014, 04:31 AM   #28
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A minor thing, but I always wished that they hadn't used the numbering at all. What's wrong with:

Star Trek: The Motion Picture
Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan
Star Trek: The Search for Spock
Star Trek: The Voyage Home
Star Trek: The Final Frontier
Star Trek: The Undiscovered Country

I know it's common practice for sequels...but it just always struck me as a extension of the 'audiences are stupid' mindset. It's not as if they were all in the theaters at the same time, leading to confusion!
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Old August 7 2014, 04:32 AM   #29
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Re: TWOK: when was the "II" added?

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A minor thing, but I always wished that they hadn't used the numbering at all. What's wrong with:

Star Trek: The Motion Picture
Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan
Star Trek: The Search for Spock
Star Trek: The Voyage Home
Star Trek: The Final Frontier
Star Trek: The Undiscovered Country

I know it's common practice for sequels...but it just always struck me as a extension of the 'audiences are stupid' mindset. It's not as if they were all in the theaters at the same time, leading to confusion!
At least they didn't retitle TMP "Episode IV."
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Old August 7 2014, 04:53 PM   #30
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Re: TWOK: when was the "II" added?

LMFAOschwarz wrote: View Post
A minor thing, but I always wished that they hadn't used the numbering at all. What's wrong with:

Star Trek: The Motion Picture
Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan
Star Trek: The Search for Spock
Star Trek: The Voyage Home
Star Trek: The Final Frontier
Star Trek: The Undiscovered Country

I know it's common practice for sequels...but it just always struck me as a extension of the 'audiences are stupid' mindset. It's not as if they were all in the theaters at the same time, leading to confusion!
It just wasn't a big deal to number movie sequels back then.
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