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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old July 7 2014, 09:38 PM   #1
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TWOK: when was the "II" added?

I wasn't sure if this has been discussed before, but a couple times I've seen TWOK in the theatre, and the title was just "Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan". But on everything else I see (VHS, DVD, etc.) it has the roman numeral.

Anyone know when that was added?
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Old July 7 2014, 11:17 PM   #2
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Re: TWOK: when was the "II" added?

The "II" was present on posters, the soundtrack album, and various other things from the beginning. I think the movie itself and the novelization were the only things that didn't use the numeral.

Memory Alpha just says that "[s]ubsequent prints of the film" added the numeral, without saying when the practice began.
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Old July 7 2014, 11:29 PM   #3
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Re: TWOK: when was the "II" added?

Just 70mm prints of the film perhaps? A reply from a fan who attended such a screening suggests this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3C5196Ymdpo

Unfortunately this footage doesn't prove it. Fourth comment down according to them.
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Old July 8 2014, 09:05 AM   #4
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Re: TWOK: when was the "II" added?

It doesn't answer the question, but this shows that the 70mm prints did not have the "II".



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Old July 8 2014, 02:57 PM   #5
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^ Amazing. Never seen that before.
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Old July 8 2014, 04:37 PM   #6
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Re: TWOK: when was the "II" added?

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It doesn't answer the question, but this shows that the 70mm prints did not have the "II".



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Thank you! The last couple times I saw it in a theatre were in 1991 (before TUC) and 1994, before Generations. The 1991 showing, I think, was 70mm. The 1994 screening was in a smaller theatre, and it may have been 35mm (not sure if it was scope or flat).
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Old July 9 2014, 02:10 AM   #7
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The "II" was present on posters, the soundtrack album, and various other things from the beginning. I think the movie itself and the novelization were the only things that didn't use the numeral.
It depends on when you define "from the beginning." About a week before the theatrical release, I personally saw a four-page color magazine spread that didn't use the II, with the usual artwork and the posed photos seen in later posters (such as the one with Kirk on his back and David, looking into the camera, with a knife at Kirk's throat). It was in People or, if not, some other Time-Life-produced magazine.
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Old July 9 2014, 02:35 AM   #8
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Re: TWOK: when was the "II" added?

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It depends on when you define "from the beginning."
When the US cinemas were done with the 70mm prints, they were sent to various international premieres. For example, in Sydney, Australia, I was at a free Saturday morning preview (August 7) and had bulk-booked group tickets for the night gala premiere on August 12, then returned on the Saturday night (August 14), after a daytime Trek event, to pick up the official program booklets (that were not available on opening night) in our new costumes - and the manager let us in for free for helping to promote the movie!

We saw the "no Roman numeral" print all three times. A few weeks later, we were back again and the "II" was on the print being screened.
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Old July 9 2014, 02:45 AM   #9
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Re: TWOK: when was the "II" added?

1982 was a long time ago. I simply don't remember.
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Old July 9 2014, 02:47 AM   #10
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1982 was a long time ago. I simply don't remember.
I needed to use a "perpetual calendar" website, and IMDb, to clarify my dates.
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Old July 9 2014, 03:51 AM   #11
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Re: TWOK: when was the "II" added?

Wow, I wasn't imagining this after all.

I was sure that there was no II in the opening title sequence when I saw it in the theater in 1982, but of course I had no proof. Until now.
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Old July 10 2014, 07:21 AM   #12
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The 1994 screening was in a smaller theatre, and it may have been 35mm (not sure if it was scope or flat).
Don't confuse the issue. Star Trek (II) was shot in scope and only has scope 35mm prints.

A few years ago a theater here ran a double feature of Star Trek - The Wrath of Khan and ALIEN in 70mm. TWOK has a different main title of course (no Roman numeral "II") and ALIEN has different end titles, compared to the 35mm prints! The end titles on that are set over a moving star field.

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Old July 10 2014, 01:23 PM   #13
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Re: TWOK: when was the "II" added?

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The 1994 screening was in a smaller theatre, and it may have been 35mm (not sure if it was scope or flat).
Don't confuse the issue. Star Trek (II) was shot in scope and only has scope 35mm prints.

A few years ago a theater here ran a double feature of Star Trek - The Wrath of Khan and ALIEN in 70mm. TWOK has a different main title of course (no Roman numeral "II") and ALIEN has different end titles, compared to the 35mm prints! The end titles on that are set over a moving star field.

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My mistake - I didn't mean to make it sound like TWOK was available in scope and flat, I was more thinking out loud, where I, myself, wasn't sure if the film was in scope or flat. Thank you for the info that it was only in scope!
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Old July 10 2014, 02:29 PM   #14
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Re: TWOK: when was the "II" added?

It depends on when you define "from the beginning." About a week before the theatrical release, I personally saw a four-page color magazine spread that didn't use the II, with the usual artwork and the posed photos seen in later posters (such as the one with Kirk on his back and David, looking into the camera, with a knife at Kirk's throat). It was in People or, if not, some other Time-Life-produced magazine
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Old July 10 2014, 05:36 PM   #15
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Re: TWOK: when was the "II" added?

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It depends on when you define "from the beginning." About a week before the theatrical release, I personally saw a four-page color magazine spread that didn't use the II, with the usual artwork and the posed photos seen in later posters (such as the one with Kirk on his back and David, looking into the camera, with a knife at Kirk's throat). It was in People or, if not, some other Time-Life-produced magazine
http://i.ebayimg.com/00/$(KGrHqF,!lEE4NI9eRl8BOS!+(pOyw~~0_35.JPG
Ha! That's it, all right - the center two pages of the four. Thanks much.
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