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Old August 1 2014, 03:52 PM   #1
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Why did Nimoy portray Saavik as colder than in II?

I thought she was a greatly developed character in TWoK and, while I get that he wouldn't want or expect another actress to just mimic Alley, don't see why the interpretation was so different and in my opinion less interesting (pretty objectively less unique).
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Old August 1 2014, 05:41 PM   #2
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Re: Why did Nimoy portray Saavik as colder than in II?

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I thought she was a greatly developed character in TWoK and, while I get that he wouldn't want or expect another actress to just mimic Alley, don't see why the interpretation was so different and in my opinion less interesting (pretty objectively less unique).
I dunno. A bit of jealousy?

When Spock was rumoured to have been killed off, Saavik and David were already being touted as the "new generation" who were to be groomed as the possible focus of future Trek telemovies, and Kirk only making guest appearances. Decker and Ilia ("Phase II") had gone, and fan rumour was that Saavik might somehow inherit Spock's gifts, long before any of us knew what that "Remember!" scene would lead to.

A female Spock and her young-Kirk-offspring love interest, David. The synopsis for "ST III: Return to Genesis" suggested Spock would return as a vampiric-looking presence in people's cabin mirrors.

Many fans were saying, "Oh well, if Spock's gone, at least we still have Saavik." Then, suddenly, new broke that Nimoy himself postulated himself as director at the ST II wrap party. And the script for ST III ended up with numerous actors playing Spock. They could have easily beamed him up one incarnation earlier and releaved Nimoy of acting duties if the director decided he didn't want to stick around. And don't forget, Kirstie Alley also played Saavik in a post-ST II "radio play" live on stage (penned by Walter Koenig) at an LA convention called "Ultimate Fantasy" (later dubbed "Ultimate Fiasco" and "The Con of Wrath").

But yeah, Nimoy forbid Robin Curtis from watching Alley's ST II performance and told her "Colder, say it colder..." when David was killed. He had seemingly reinterpreted the character for her as a full Vulcan.
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Old August 1 2014, 06:19 PM   #3
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Re: Why did Nimoy portray Saavik as colder than in II?

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Nimoy forbid Robin Curtis from watching Alley's ST II performance and told her "Colder, say it colder..." when David was killed. He had seemingly reinterpreted the character for her as a full Vulcan.
I always figured this to be a truth. Saavik in STII was implied to be part-Romulan, part-Vulcan (and confirmed as such in the novelization). In STIII and STIV, Nimoy instead reconceptualized her as fully Vulcan.
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Old August 1 2014, 06:34 PM   #4
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Re: Why did Nimoy portray Saavik as colder than in II?

I liked Curtis' version of the character more.
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Old August 1 2014, 07:03 PM   #5
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Re: Why did Nimoy portray Saavik as colder than in II?

I thought Curtis did fine with it, and her interpretation of the character didn't bother me at all. Alley did all right for herself after not getting III, and might not have had the success she had in television had she stayed with Trek.
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Old August 1 2014, 09:32 PM   #6
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Re: Why did Nimoy portray Saavik as colder than

I definitely liked Alley's version better. I liked her personality. And she was sexy! I assumed she was part something since her eyebrows were not the Vulcan normal. Though it was less creepy to see the pon farr performed in a more cold manner by Curtis with a teenage Spock.
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Old August 1 2014, 10:09 PM   #7
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Re: Why did Nimoy portray Saavik as colder than in II?

I like both interpretations of the character.
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Old August 1 2014, 10:19 PM   #8
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Re: Why did Nimoy portray Saavik as colder than in II?

I'm still cranky about Kirstie Alley ditching the role, presumably for more money.

On the upside, the term Kirstie-Alleying can now be applied to any actor who bails on a role for no good reason.
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Old August 1 2014, 11:00 PM   #9
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Re: Why did Nimoy portray Saavik as colder than in II?

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I'm still cranky about Kirstie Alley ditching the role, presumably for more money.

On the upside, the term Kirstie-Alleying can now be applied to any actor who bails on a role for no good reason.
So Terry Farrell totally Kirstie Alleyed the part of Jadzia Dax?
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Old August 2 2014, 12:54 AM   #10
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Re: Why did Nimoy portray Saavik as colder than in II?

Indeed! Could also be applied to Terrence Howard and Edward Norton in regards to Marvel films too.
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Old August 2 2014, 01:02 AM   #11
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Re: Why did Nimoy portray Saavik as colder than in II?

Tony Musante totally Kirstie-Alleyed on the TV series Toma after the first season, forcing producers to cast Robert Blake and reworking it into Baretta.

That was about 10 years before anyone had heard of Kirstie Alley.
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Old August 2 2014, 01:58 AM   #12
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Jeff Hunter totally Kirstie-Alleyed the role of Chris Pike.
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Old August 2 2014, 06:40 AM   #13
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Re: Why did Nimoy portray Saavik as colder than in II?

At least Kirstie Alley isn't the girl from Star Trek like our dear Denise.
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Old August 2 2014, 07:24 AM   #14
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Re: Why did Nimoy portray Saavik as colder than in II?

Yeah, the rounded eyebrows are the biggest hint that Alley!Saavik and Curtis!Saavik are two different approaches to the character.....

One thing I don't know about is if Nimoy misunderstood the Saavik character to have actually been fully Vulcan, or whether he deliberately made that decision to change her. It's possible that by the time he got in the director's chair in STIII he didn't remember any of that stuff that had been established about her, hence his instructions to Curtis to keep her performance "cold".

It's doubly ironic that the Saavik expy in STVI, Valeris, is stated to be fully Vulcan but she's got far more in common with Alley's Saavik than with the Curtis interpretation.

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I'm still cranky about Kirstie Alley ditching the role, presumably for more money.

On the upside, the term Kirstie-Alleying can now be applied to any actor who bails on a role for no good reason.
My understanding is that Alley was up for it, but her agent was the one who got cocky and decided to play hard-ball with the producers, and it backfired when they just came back with a "thanks but no thanks". I've read that she was actually devistated to learn she wouldn't be returning (and I wouldn't be surprised if she fired that agent afterwards).
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Old August 2 2014, 07:42 AM   #15
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Re: Why did Nimoy portray Saavik as colder than in II?

If she were devastated she could have told her agent to eat crow and call back, saying he had made a mistake.
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