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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old July 10 2014, 04:36 PM   #31
Re: TVH - Temporal "loose ends"

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Greg Cox's Khan novels actually do touch on what happened to all the technology Chekov left behind. It was collected and eventually passed into a top-secret government facility where it was reversed-engineered to develop what would eventually be dubbed the Botany Bay.
Has there ever been a novel, or story (or otherwise are the folks on this board willing to speculate) about what happened to Bob and the Cetacean Institute after the "disappearance" of Dr. Taylor? Or the whaling ship that saw the decloaking BoP?
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Old July 10 2014, 05:11 PM   #32
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Re: TVH - Temporal "loose ends"

I forget where the theory came about, but somewhere I read that people posited that different forms of time travel would have different effects. Namely, the Guardian's form of time travel would result in a change to their timeline, whereas the red matter wormwhole lead to the creation of a whole new timeline. Others, such as the Orb of Time result in a manner of predestined time travel (which would make sense, seeing as how the Prophets exist outside of time. They'd probably have a way of making sure travel through their Orb would not result in any changes to the timeline/creation of a new timeline).

Not sure why a sentient device called the "Guardian of Forever" would provide time travel in a way in which the timeline was changed. Unless it was originally meant to be used to fix errors in the timeline and, as a result, errors caused by its use would result in changes to the timeline.
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Old July 10 2014, 06:35 PM   #33
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Re: TVH - Temporal "loose ends"

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No, McCoy very definitely altered history when he went through the Guardian.
Where and when? The Guardian of Forever must be a relative of the Wizard of Oz, scaring people with a loud voice.

Obviously he (or it) felt it necessary to motivate Kirk and Spock to go back in time and to do their job (i.e. interact with the timeline to make sure things would happen as they did always happen). That's the only explanation for the Guardian's behaviour I can come up with.

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Old July 10 2014, 07:47 PM   #34
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Hey, if they're in 1987, that means Khan Noonien Singh is out there with his magical healing blood, which surely would have cured that old lady's kidneys. But I guess a syringe of that isn't covered by most people's insurence...

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My guess is Nick Meyer brought attention to some of the time travel consequences and then made fun of them because he doesn't really give a crap about time travel consequences and he was letting us know that he doesn't take it too seriously in this film so neither should we. Just my guess though.
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In "Tomorrow is Yesterday", Kirk finally tells Christopher the Enterprise was accidentally thrown back in time. Christopher responds that they seem to have a lot of those accidents. It's a clear reference to all the UFO sightings. So in that vein, TVH was just more "accidents" that will likely be investigated (or not) and get terrestrial explanations that don't affect the timeline.

-- The sailors were merely hallucinating. It's not like sailors have never imagined beasts and such at sea. Luckily, it was the 1980s and not the 2010s, or every sailor on that ship would've used his phone to take a picture of the Klingon ship.

-- The trash collectors saw a helicopter, it blinded them, and they ran over the trash can.

-- Kirk was either a CIA operative or a Russian spy who wanted Chekov. Either way, he had a James Bond-like laser device that melted the lock on the door. (We know they're keeping really neat stuff from us.)

-- Unless McCoy's pill left any evidence behind to be traced, what happened to the elderly woman will be chalked up to a miracle or fluke.

-- Gillian, sadly, committed suicide in the Bay, her body never found. She was distraught over the whales being released like they were.

-- Scotty feels fine with what he did because he probably left one or two critical things out of his formula for transparent aluminum, or he knows the guy will never be able to crack the matrix.

-- Chekov on the aircraft carrier is the most problematic one. The navy has Klingon technology in their hands if they want to dissect it. However, it seemed the intelligence agents were borderline competent at best, and no one took Chekov too seriously. Some crazy guy playing spaceman somehow got on board. The name doesn't check out in any intelligence base. Someone "stole" him from the hospital, which may create some interest, but when they can't find any leads, it will be "case closed." The disrupter and communicator will be stuck in a drawer somewhere, forgotten.

-- George and Gracie were lost because their tracking devices malfunctioned. For all anyone knows, they are still at sea, or they were hunted down by whalers.

-- Poor Bob was so distraught over the loss of Gillian that he bought her pickup truck and became a drifter in the CA, NV, and AZ deserts. Even though whales are not fish, he could never eat seafood again.
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