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Old July 5 2014, 03:50 AM   #16
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I hate that Star Trek invented running two spinoffs of the same series at the same time.

CSI: Northwest Indiana
Law and Order: Parking Meters Unit
NCIS: Some guy's backyard in Kansas
Stargate: More unlikable characters in bizarre situations

Sorry aspiring writers, you know how hard it is to compete with existing series, pandering variety shows and reality shows? Now you also have to compete with lame imitations of existing series.
Star Trek didn't even come close to inventing this. "All in the Family," "The Mary Tyler Moore Show," and "Happy Days" beat "Star Trek" at this by at least a decade, probably more.
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Old July 5 2014, 04:06 AM   #17
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Sorry guys. I was trying something new. I will try not to create more uninspired Threads.
I'm just trying to be an active member.
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Old July 5 2014, 04:16 AM   #18
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Sorry guys. I was trying something new. I will try not to create more uninspired Threads.
I'm just trying to be an active member.
It's fine, nothing to be sorry about. Just that, well, TNG didn't come up with the notion of season-end cliffhangers.
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Old July 5 2014, 04:37 AM   #19
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I don't know. The whole "Who shot J.R.?" thing was a huge national phenomenon, much more so than the Borg cliffhanger. Heck, I've never even seen a single episode of "Dallas" and I remember it being this big pop-culture event.
"Best of Both Worlds" wasn't even the biggest summer cliffhanger of 1990, when Twin Peaks had become a pop-culture phenomenon.
And Twin Peaks came up with the notion of the creator who doesn't know what he's doing.
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Old July 5 2014, 11:36 AM   #20
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"I hate that Star Trek created ____" the TNG Romulans. If the revamp looked cool and badassed, I'd be a fan of this Vulcan offshoot. Instead, they're cheap-looking and almost laughable, with their nappy wigs, (obviously) fake forheads and awkward-looking ears. Michael Westmore's just not that good. Most of his appliances and prosthetics look like sculpted plastic. The Romulans are a good case-in-point.
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Old July 5 2014, 12:16 PM   #21
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So, TNG created Dallas?
No, but Picard shot JR.
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Old July 5 2014, 12:20 PM   #22
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Sorry guys. I was trying something new. I will try not to create more uninspired Threads.
I'm just trying to be an active member.
It's fine, nothing to be sorry about. Just that, well, TNG didn't come up with the notion of season-end cliffhangers.
Right. But the rest of your premise was fine, so it doesn't destroy the thread. If anything, it stimulates discussion, because people here (and by here, I mean 'The Internet' ) just love to talk about how wrong someone is, too.
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Old July 5 2014, 12:22 PM   #23
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And Twin Peaks came up with the notion of the creator who doesn't know what he's doing.
IIRC, David Lynch never wanted to answer the question who killed Laura Palmer but they put pressure on him to identify the killer.

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"I hate that Star Trek created ____" the TNG Romulans. If the revamp looked cool and badassed, I'd be a fan of this Vulcan offshoot.
Just a look at "Unification" and the lack of prosthetics applied to Mr. Nimoy just reveals that it was a lame idea. Vulcans and Romulans were biologically related, just separated by 5,000 years or so and according to Spock's appearance in aforementioned episode there still must have been plenty of Romulans looking like Vulcans.

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Old July 5 2014, 01:07 PM   #24
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Since this is in the TNG forum, I'll keep this related to TNG.

My personal nit pick is the seemingly complete ERASURE of the Constitution Class ships (both TOS and TNG) from TV, with the exception of four episodes that i can think of:

1. Naked Now (TNG, a split second screen shot of a connie in the LCARS database)
2. Best OF Both Worlds (very debateable...wreckage that appears to be a connie, but unconfirmed and could just as easily be another class)
3.Trials and Tribble-ations (DS9, Enterprise)
4. In a Mirror, Darkly (ENT, appearance of the Defiant)

Personally, the Constitution class is still my favorite class of ship. Sure they would have been old by the TNG era, but how can so many Miranda class ships, which were really variants of the Connie, still be in service (they were cannon fodder in the Dominion War, and made appearances in TNG as well), but not the Constitution class?

I was never a fan of the Constellation class, and really think that Picard's Stargazer should have been a Constitution class. In fact, I believe that was the original intent, and TNG Season 1 even had a model of a Connie in his ready room on a few episodes.

Such a missed opportunity that the only refit Connies we ever saw were Enterprise and Enterprise-A. Just because the Enterprise A was retired, doesn't necessarily mean ALL Constitution Class ships, especially newly-build ones modeled on the refit design, needed to be retired. They may not necessarily have been the backbone of Starfleet by the TNG era, but if the Miranda Classes can serve side-by-side the Excelsior, Galaxy, Nebula, Ambassador, or even the Oberth classes, why not the Constitution refit styles?

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And Twin Peaks came up with the notion of the creator who doesn't know what he's doing.
IIRC, David Lynch never wanted to answer the question who killed Laura Palmer but they put pressure on him to identify the killer.

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"I hate that Star Trek created ____" the TNG Romulans. If the revamp looked cool and badassed, I'd be a fan of this Vulcan offshoot.
Just a look at "Unification" and the lack of prosthetics applied to Mr. Nimoy just reveals that it was a lame idea. Vulcans and Romulans were biologically related, just separated by 5,000 years or so and according to Spock's appearance in aforementioned episode there still must have been plenty of Romulans looking like Vulcans.

Bob
The biggest thing that bothered me about TNG's version of the Romulans were the stupid uniforms. At least DS9 and Nemesis toned THAT down.

The TNG Romulan forehead was jarring at first for me, too, but I always (my personal canon) chalked that up to genetic hybridization as the ancestors of the Romulans intermarried with other species during their journey from Vulcan to Romulus. Some had the "V" on the forehead, others didn't. So Spock standing next to TNG Romulans isn't so unexplainable to me.

I think that theory holds up for me, except for Tallera (played by Robin Curtis AKA Saavik #2, no less), a Vulcan separatist masquerading as a Romulan, unless she had some cosmetic surgery!
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Old July 5 2014, 01:17 PM   #25
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I hate that Star Trek created tribbles. They have been nothing but trouble.
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Old July 5 2014, 02:21 PM   #26
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So, TNG created Dallas?
No, but Picard shot JR.
No, that was Natima Lang, who was Tasha Yar's aunt.
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Old July 5 2014, 03:07 PM   #27
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TheSubCommander wrote: View Post
Since this is in the TNG forum, I'll keep this related to TNG.

My personal nit pick is the seemingly complete ERASURE of the Constitution Class ships (both TOS and TNG) from TV, with the exception of four episodes that i can think of:

1. Naked Now (TNG, a split second screen shot of a connie in the LCARS database)
2. Best OF Both Worlds (very debateable...wreckage that appears to be a connie, but unconfirmed and could just as easily be another class)
3.Trials and Tribble-ations (DS9, Enterprise)
4. In a Mirror, Darkly (ENT, appearance of the Defiant)

Personally, the Constitution class is still my favorite class of ship. Sure they would have been old by the TNG era, but how can so many Miranda class ships, which were really variants of the Connie, still be in service (they were cannon fodder in the Dominion War, and made appearances in TNG as well), but not the Constitution class?

I was never a fan of the Constellation class, and really think that Picard's Stargazer should have been a Constitution class. In fact, I believe that was the original intent, and TNG Season 1 even had a model of a Connie in his ready room on a few episodes.

Such a missed opportunity that the only refit Connies we ever saw were Enterprise and Enterprise-A. Just because the Enterprise A was retired, doesn't necessarily mean ALL Constitution Class ships, especially newly-build ones modeled on the refit design, needed to be retired. They may not necessarily have been the backbone of Starfleet by the TNG era, but if the Miranda Classes can serve side-by-side the Excelsior, Galaxy, Nebula, Ambassador, or even the Oberth classes, why not the Constitution refit styles?
It was indeed the original intent to use a Constitution refit as the Stargazer, to the point that it was described as such in the original dialogue. When it was decided that the Stargazer would be a different class, they chose to specifically call it the "Constellation-class" because they had to redub the dialogue and wanted to match the actors' mouth movements. It was felt that using the Constitution on the small screen would diminish the Ent-A's role as the "hero ship" of the ongoing TOS movies.
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Old July 5 2014, 03:07 PM   #28
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So, TNG created Dallas?
No, but Picard shot JR.
No, that was Natima Lang, who was Tasha Yar's aunt.
And she was also Harlan Ellison's sister, I believe.
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Old July 5 2014, 03:11 PM   #29
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Now I'm quite familiar with "Who shot J.R.?", but were season cliffhangers really all that common between that and BOBW a decade later? I honestly don't know because I wasn't watching a lot of TV in the 80s. It seems to me that BOBW certainly started the trend for itself and subsequent Trek shows, and through that the other genre shows that popped up in TNG's wake.
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I hate that Star Trek created the 24th century as a new canvas.
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