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Old July 14 2014, 07:21 PM   #46
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Re: Sarah Carter: Babe of the Week #22 (July 2014)

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I do wonder how the fellows who comment consistently on the size of a woman's tatas would feel if someone was basing their opinion of THEM on the size of their penis?

"He has eyes?"
I'd be happy to answer...as soon as one of the subjects of these threads explains logically why she joined a profession that practically guarantees she'd be scrutinized that way if she doesn't want to be scrutinized that way.
Chuckle. So you think that women should not join the entertainment industry unless they are willing to allow anyone to make any kind of comment about their bodies and accept those comments, and the attitudes behind them as a "cost of doing business"?



In addition, who's fault is it that demeaning comments are made about a woman's body? Is it the fault of the woman, or the person who made the comment? Should a woman who is in the public eye be forced to cover her entire body so that no one will have justification for demeaning and misogynistic comments? Are we as men so lacking in self control that we cannot abstain from making inappropriate comments about a woman? Are we so lost, so out touch that we cannot help but make value judgments about a woman,her intelligence, and her worth to society based solely on the size of her mammary glands, the size and shape of her butt, the shape of her legs, etc?

Here is how that stance breaks down

1)Attractive woman is a celebrity.
2) She is fair game to any comment because she in public eye.
3) If she didn't want man to say mean things, she should have been something else.
4) Man can't help but say nasty things- so it not man fault attractive woman be celebrity.
5) Man can't help but judge woman on boob size, 'cause he man.
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Old July 14 2014, 07:24 PM   #47
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Re: Sarah Carter: Babe of the Week #22 (July 2014)

I see these threads are keeping up their grand tradition of appreciating women's enormous contributions to the arts, rather than reducing them to basic physical characteristics we can then comment on in regard to how they impact sexual desirability--a judgment the thread neatly allows one to summarize with a simple ternary choice.
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Old July 14 2014, 07:27 PM   #48
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reducing them to basic physical characteristics we can then comment on in regard to how they impact sexual desirability--
We have a winner. That's what we call objectification.
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Old July 14 2014, 07:29 PM   #49
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I'd be happy to answer...as soon as one of the subjects of these threads explains logically why she joined a profession that practically guarantees she'd be scrutinized that way if she doesn't want to be scrutinized that way.
I guess, um, that's why we read discussions about the love muscles of male actors every so often, right?
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Old July 14 2014, 07:31 PM   #50
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reducing them to basic physical characteristics we can then comment on in regard to how they impact sexual desirability--
We have a winner. That's what we call objectification.
What do I win??

Never mind... I'm a straight white male. I've already won!



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Old July 14 2014, 07:35 PM   #51
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reducing them to basic physical characteristics we can then comment on in regard to how they impact sexual desirability--
We have a winner. That's what we call objectification.
What do I win??

Never mind... I'm a straight white male. I've already won!




Bonus points! You win bonus points!



I still think you need to lose a little weight, that cellulite is a real turn off. Don't you think with all the money you make you could afford a trainer? Jeez, you get on the cover of a few magazines and you get lazy.
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Old July 14 2014, 07:37 PM   #52
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I'd be happy to answer...as soon as one of the subjects of these threads explains logically why she joined a profession that practically guarantees she'd be scrutinized that way if she doesn't want to be scrutinized that way.
Assuming for a moment this were a logically valid argument (It's not.), are you implying you've never--in your whole life--said something similar, thought something similar, or scrutinized in a similar manner a teacher, librarian, lawyer, doctor/nurse or the checkout girl at the grocery market?

I didn't think so.
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Old July 14 2014, 07:38 PM   #53
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Re: Sarah Carter: Babe of the Week #22 (July 2014)

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I do wonder how the fellows who comment consistently on the size of a woman's tatas would feel if someone was basing their opinion of THEM on the size of their penis?

"He has eyes?"
I'd be happy to answer...as soon as one of the subjects of these threads explains logically why she joined a profession that practically guarantees she'd be scrutinized that way if she doesn't want to be scrutinized that way.
Say what? Where do you this idea from? Where's the rating thread for the truly large size Actresses? Or for the Aged Actressed, like Dame Maggie or Fionnula Flanigan or the Redgraves? Afterall, if being an Actress or Model means you are asking to be objectified what about the overweight and aged ones?

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I'd be happy to answer...as soon as one of the subjects of these threads explains logically why she joined a profession that practically guarantees she'd be scrutinized that way if she doesn't want to be scrutinized that way.
Assuming for a moment this were a logically valid argument (It's not.), are you implying you've never--in your whole life--said something similar, thought something similar, or scrutinized in a similar manner a teacher, librarian, lawyer, doctor/nurse or the checkout girl at the grocery market?

I didn't think so.
Oh, please. Teacher, Librarian, Nurse, French Maid, they knew damned well those are like the top male fantasies when they took those jobs [/sarcasm]
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Old July 14 2014, 07:41 PM   #54
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I do wonder how the fellows who comment consistently on the size of a woman's tatas would feel if someone was basing their opinion of THEM on the size of their penis?

"He has eyes?"
I'd be happy to answer...as soon as one of the subjects of these threads explains logically why she joined a profession that practically guarantees she'd be scrutinized that way if she doesn't want to be scrutinized that way.
This reminds me of a famous exchange between a ballet dancer and a New York Times writer. After the writer mocked her weight in a review (which was totally healthy and lean, but comparatively more than many ballerinas) she went public about how common eating disorders are among ballerinas, and her own struggles, and called out the reporter on the problematic nature of his words. He responded, much like you, Admiral2 with a standard, "Well, if she didn't want her body scrutinized she shouldn't have joined a profession which"... blah blah blah misogynycakes. She responded with sheer perfection, pointing out that if the writer didn't want his opinion scrutinized, he shouldn't have published it.

You are certainly free to look at these women's bodies, judge them, rate them, and think all the teeny, limited things about them that you do, but when you publish it in a public forum, especially after it has been repeatedly called to your attention that it makes many of the female members of the forum uncomfortable, and typically devolves from lighthearted fun into outright sleaze fairly quickly, and contributes to ongoing issues with sexism on this board, are you really surprised that we'd call you out on your juvenile nonsense and mock you for it?
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Old July 14 2014, 07:43 PM   #55
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You are certainly free to look at these women's bodies, judge them, rate them, and think all the teeny, limited things about them that you do, but when you publish it in a public forum, especially after it has been repeatedly called to your attention that it makes many of the female members of the forum uncomfortable, and typically devolves from lighthearted fun into outright sleaze fairly quickly, and contributes to ongoing issues with sexism on this board, are you really surprised that we'd call you out on your juvenile nonsense and mock you for it?
This should be a disclaimer added to every BOTW thread.
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Old July 14 2014, 07:48 PM   #56
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I'd be happy to answer...as soon as one of the subjects of these threads explains logically why she joined a profession that practically guarantees she'd be scrutinized that way if she doesn't want to be scrutinized that way.
I doubt one of the subjects of these threads will ever come to one of these threads, but if one of them did I doubt she'd get much in the way of constructive engagement out of you.

There are some people who can do this kind of conversation without being creepy and classless about it. And there are some people who can't. It's not exactly news that The Internet doesn't do mature commentary on beauty (esp. female beauty) all that well, but it's also not exactly news that not every place on the Internet is a bottom-feeding celebrity gossip blog.

So, basically it's worth having a good think about how these threads are making too many of the participants look, and about how eager are other Board members going to be to keep company with people who simply can't or won't clue themselves in about there being a certain amount of etiquette involved in talking about women and female beauty. Especially when this behaviour starts to crop up in totally unrelated threads, it creates a stronger and stronger incentive for more and more people to just say "enough."
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Wow, those are some pretty goddamn disgusting comments in the thread you linked, BigJake. Makes me glad I don't venture out of TNZ that much. Sheesh. Everyone making those sorts of comments should be ashamed and, if there were any justice, their Internet access would be permanently revoked.
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Old July 14 2014, 08:00 PM   #58
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I do wonder how the fellows who comment consistently on the size of a woman's tatas would feel if someone was basing their opinion of THEM on the size of their penis?

"He has eyes?"
I'd be happy to answer...as soon as one of the subjects of these threads explains logically why she joined a profession that practically guarantees she'd be scrutinized that way if she doesn't want to be scrutinized that way.
This reminds me of a famous exchange between a ballet dancer and a New York Times writer. After the writer mocked her weight in a review (which was totally healthy and lean, but comparatively more than many ballerinas) she went public about how common eating disorders are among ballerinas, and her own struggles, and called out the reporter on the problematic nature of his words. He responded, much like you, Admiral2 with a standard, "Well, if she didn't want her body scrutinized she shouldn't have joined a profession which"... blah blah blah misogynycakes. She responded with sheer perfection, pointing out that if the writer didn't want his opinion scrutinized, he shouldn't have published it.

You are certainly free to look at these women's bodies, judge them, rate them, and think all the teeny, limited things about them that you do, but when you publish it in a public forum, especially after it has been repeatedly called to your attention that it makes many of the female members of the forum uncomfortable, and typically devolves from lighthearted fun into outright sleaze fairly quickly, and contributes to ongoing issues with sexism on this board, are you really surprised that we'd call you out on your juvenile nonsense and mock you for it?

I have nothing more to add other than this:
A man who is small enough inside to blame someone else for his actions demeans himself. A man who attempts to infer that ALL men act like he does demeans every other man.
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Wow, those are some pretty goddamn disgusting comments in the thread you linked, BigJake. Makes me glad I don't venture out of TNZ that much. Sheesh. Everyone making those sorts of comments should be ashamed and, if there were any justice, their Internet access would be permanently revoked.
Yeah, I saw that this morning and just found it incredibly sad and embarrassing. I think Fremdscham is the precise term.
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I'd be happy to answer...as soon as one of the subjects of these threads explains logically why she joined a profession that practically guarantees she'd be scrutinized that way if she doesn't want to be scrutinized that way.
I doubt one of the subjects of these threads will ever come to one of these threads, but if one of them did I doubt she'd get much in the way of constructive engagement out of you.

There are some people who can do this kind of conversation without being creepy and classless about it. And there are some people who can't. It's not exactly news that The Internet doesn't do mature commentary on beauty (esp. female beauty) all that well, but it's also not exactly news that not every place on the Internet is a bottom-feeding celebrity gossip blog.

So, basically it's worth having a good think about how these threads are making too many of the participants look, and about how eager are other Board members going to be to keep company with people who simply can't or won't clue themselves in about there being a certain amount of etiquette involved in talking about women and female beauty. Especially when this behaviour starts to crop up in totally unrelated threads, it creates a stronger and stronger incentive for more and more people to just say "enough."


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